Morality

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You don't have to recognize obligations to have them placed upon you.  Whether you reject the authority of the state or not..for example..has very little bearing on your obligation to follow its laws, lol.

Let’s not equivocate between laws and morality now. In fact if a law was immoral, I would have an obligation to disobey it.

But like I said let’s not equivocate between legal obligations and moral obligations, because they are not one and the same thing. Telling me that’s illegal to steal is not the same as telling me it’s immoral to steal.

You have presented yourself as the arbiter of what obligations you do or don't have.  This is you..a person, placing obligations upon yourself (or removing them from yourself).  The sheer existence of those other schemas and authorities doesn;t compel or obligate you, in your estimation.

I don’t have any moral obligations to myself. Because such an obligations would be non-binding. I can poof them in and out of existence by my own will, as opposed to breaking them, that to call them moral obligations is pretty meaningless.

To say you have an obligation not to harm me is the conclusion of an evaluative premise, not the moral fact from which this conclusion is derived...we've discussed this.  I actually don't think that you have any such blanket obligation..personally.

No, these obligations are not a conclusion of an evaluative premise, the obligations precedes the evaluation. There’s no evaluation of a premise, that concludes with a moral obligation being imposed on me, that I didn’t have prior to that evaluation.

IDK, are you...tell me more about how you set the boundaries of your own compulsions..rather than having them st for you by any real or purported moral fact?

So are the boundaries set by the moral facts that exist independent of us, or are the set by “us”.? Earlier you claimed that moral facts don’t have aims, if that ’s the case then they can’t set boundaries. If boundaries are a human construct as you seemed to suggest earlier, than you can’t appeal to moral facts to set them.

You're using the term "moral fact" as a standin for your religion (they;re not actually the same thi9ng, but whatever...)..which was imposed upon you, by people.

No, I could rid myself of all my christian beliefs, and my views on morality still stand. My recognitions of moral oughts, or transcendent moral order, has been the case since I was a child, it seems self-evident, like the existence of minds outside my own, or the coffee cup in front of me. Religions may piggy back off of such basic perceptions, but are not the source of them.

So you are..already, a moral nihilist, then? Why would it matter if you signed a pledge to live by moral facts? It's not like signing a pledge would force you to do so either? Nor would it somehow bind you in a way that other expressions of consent don't. This is exactly what I've expressed to you..what you're arguing with, lol....?

I didn’t sign a pledge to live by moral facts. I was born to them, against my own volition. Captive to them as a slave to its master. They are not chains of my own making, but chains I’ve been bound in since creation. A part of being born in the image of God. I can’t poof it out of existence, anymore so than i can poof you out of existense, and this is not from a lack of trying, because hard as any man can try, he cannot not deny what is self-evident, without lies and delusions.

I may rebel against these obligations, against the very master itself, but I can not deny their existence. In greed I might steal your wallet, but I can’t deny that I ought not to have stolen it, my conscious laying witness to this very fact.