Morality

[Acrobat]

No, I could rid myself of all my christian beliefs, and my views on morality still stand.

-then your moral views are secular....and likely humanist. If you could hold them in the absence of your god beliefs then theres nothing about my being an atheist that would prevent me from holding the same.

No, I’d be a platonic theist. I’d be a theist that doesn’t subscribe to any particular religion.

So are the boundaries set by the moral facts that exist independent of us, or are the set by “us”.? Earlier you claimed that moral facts don’t have aims, if that ’s the case then they can’t set boundaries. If boundaries are a human construct as you seemed to suggest earlier, than you can’t appeal to moral facts to set them. 

Correct, because facts are things, not people.  They are descriptions of some reality, not intentional agents, lol. Facts don't have aims. What other than moral facts do you think a moral realist would or even coherently could refer to in order to establish their deontological boundaries? 

What’s correct do “we” set the boundaries of what we ought to do and what we ought not do, or do the moral facts that exist independently of us set the boundaries?

If us, than the boundaries are relativistic, set by the communities and cultures who construct them.

If it’s the moral facts themselves, then this negates your previous claim that they don’t posses aims or oughts.

Gasp...you mean..you had obligations placed upon you?  You don't saaaaay........but..remember, you didn't actually need to say anything about god up above, because you would still have the same moral views even if you weren't born in the image of a god, even if there was no creation. Right? The strength of the truth of the one is uninformative as to the strength of the truth of the other, this is what you've indicated above.

No I wouldn’t have the same moral views if we weren’t born in the image of God or something equivalent to it. The world in which these beliefs are true is very different than one in which it isn’t. Its a world in which all is permissible, which ours is not.

Just a couple of gems that seemed worth pursuing. What we have, in you..is a secuilar moral realist telling us that they would rather choose moral nihilism than their own moral structure. Well..okay, but so what? What is that supposed to show us?

It wouldn’t really be a matter of choice, so much as it would just be matter of recognition that the moral structures you appeal to have no clothes, lack any real foundation, which can be flicked away by my fingers.

You and your friends telling me I have a moral obligation to do x, would be as laughable as you telling me I have an obligation to pay off your student loans. An unbound moral obligation, is the emperor with no clothes, geese trying to tame lions.

You and your ilk tend to rely on the structures of my moral beliefs, in order to even make yours even remotely work. Take those away, it’s just the lambs whining about the birds of prey.