Do you believe in god or math?

[Modular Moog V]

I see the theists have not addressed the OP.

This thread has taken an interesting turn. It would seem that the main problem is semantics which truly can never be overcome.

As the posters are quibbling over definitions, I have noticed one definition that has eluded any discussion. That being the definition of math itself.

If 'math' is strictly defined as a language, then it will always be subjective. 'Math', however, is supposed to be 'objective'. As 'edk141' stated, "If you drop something in a vacuum at constant Earth surface gravity, it will accelerate at 9.8m/s no matter what units you measure the 9.8m/s in.", this is where the semantics comes into play. No matter the language used, the rate of fall does not change. That is 'math'. We have attached a language to the math to be able to communicate our observations and theories, but the language itself is not the 'math'.

'Math' is objective. The language used to describe the 'math' is supposed to be objective, but (as shown in this thread) can be semantically charged with subjectiveness. Ultimately, I see no way around this as it is apparently human nature to create discourse when none is present.

The other problem being, language itself is a poor way of conveying one's own thoughts to another, (as will be shown by responses to this post).

I see RED. Simple enough. Bright red? Dull red? Maybe a little blue in it , but still red. Did i mean brick red? How about burgundy, carmine, madder, maroon, rose, rouge, ruby, russet? What color did I mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics#Etymology
Right of the bat, it says: Mathematics (from Greek μάθημα máthēma "knowledge, study, learning") is the study of quantity, space, structure, and change.[2][3] Mathematicians seek out patterns[4][5] and formulate new conjectures. Mathematicians resolve the truth or falsity of conjectures by mathematical proofs, which are arguments sufficient to convince other mathematicians of their validity.

Ok, so the first meaning of MATH is knowledge, study, learning. [url]Mathematics (from Greek μάθημα máthēma "knowledge, study, learning") is the study of quantity, space, structure, and change.[2][3] Mathematicians seek out patterns[4][5] and formulate new conjectures. Mathematicians resolve the truth or falsity of conjectures by mathematical proofs, which are arguments sufficient to convince other mathematicians of their validity. [/url]

The prime argument of skepticism is that complete knowledge is not possible.

Positivists say we do know some things. ( but not everything, just playing into the hands of evil skeptics)

If math means knowledge, then it is subjective.

Do you think it "means" something else? Just asking.