RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 8, 2019 at 9:38 am
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2019 at 9:42 am by CDF47.)
(March 7, 2019 at 5:27 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(March 7, 2019 at 4:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The random mutations are random. Either everything in this universe is random without a purpose or it is designed. Those are the only two options.And the process of evolution is not. Get that into your thick skull. And stop lying about it.
Also a false dichotomy. The universe can be both at the same time, if you gave it a moments thought, which you obviously don't.
(March 7, 2019 at 4:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: If I know one thing, I know design when I see it.Now you have a huge problem. If everything is designed, you have no basis for making any such determination. According to you everything in the universe is designed. Therefore you can have no idea what anything undesigned might even look like without resorting to making shit up, again.
Also, if everything in the universe is designed, then by definition you cannot "know design when you see it" because you never "don't" see it so you can't possibly tell.
Disagree? Then go ahead and give me an example of anything in this universe that is not designed.
(March 7, 2019 at 5:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Common design plans are typically used by designers for different systems.So god had the monkey blueprints just laying about and decided to reuse most of an existing blueprint to create man.
Consequence: The "monkey" plan predated the "man" plan. You are arguing to be directly descended from monkeys. By godly fiat.
You're not very good at this, are you?
I never said I disagreed with evolution as far as micro-evolution goes. I just do not agree with common ancestry.
You are right the universe can be both designed and random. The Designer may have allowed for some randomness in the design as He allowed Adam to name the animals,... Ultimately, though, we have design proven by DNA and the fine-tuned universe. So regardless of the extent of randomness, we know we have a Designer.
A universe that is not designed would not be fine-tuned and have molecular machines and have functional codes,....
He may have had man's plan in mind first but started with the monkey. Who knows. He seems to use quite a bit of common parts for various living systems which is common in design and engineering.
(March 7, 2019 at 7:54 pm)fredd bear Wrote: "Consequence: The "monkey" plan predated the "man" plan. You are arguing to be directly descended from monkeys. By godly fiat."
Yeah, a common misunderstanding, not just with Gormless christians;
Darwin did not argue we are descended from monkeys. We have common ancestors.
Human beings are primates just as are say gorillas. We did not descend from apes, we ARE a species of ape.. That is the meaning of 'primate'
So far I have never come across a christian apologist who has actually read and understood Darwin.
"Humans (Homo sapiens) are the only extant members of the subtribe Hominina. Together with chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans, they are part of the family Hominidae (the great apes, or hominids). A terrestrial animal, humans are characterized by their erect posture and bipedal locomotion; high manual dexterity and heavy tool use compared to other animals; open-ended and complex language use compared to other animal communications; larger, more complex brains than other animals; and highly advanced and organized societies.[3][4"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
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The link below about primates is also worth reading;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate
Yeah, that is interesting information and not what I am necessarily arguing against.
(March 7, 2019 at 9:36 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why do you guys keep feeding him?
You know I am not a troll. I proved that to you. Why do you have such a problem with me? I have done nothing wrong to you.
(March 7, 2019 at 9:52 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: The dysteleological argument. The argument from piss-poor design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_fr...atal_flaws
LOL
The intent of the design was not perfection after man fell.
(March 7, 2019 at 10:44 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:(March 7, 2019 at 9:36 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why do you guys keep feeding him?
I've already Emailed one administrator, asking that CDF47 be banned. Nothing has happened yet.
Banned for what?
The LORD Exists: http://www.godandscience.org/
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8