RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 16, 2019 at 7:11 pm
(This post was last modified: March 16, 2019 at 7:20 pm by fredd bear.)
@Amorak
The notion of the devil being a fallen angel (Lucifer) is part of Jewish tradition. As to how he could rebel; jews and Christians tend to agree on free will. I've always had a problem with that; God is omniscient, which means all knowing .He knows absolutely how his creations will behave, from first to last breath.To me, knowing the future abrogates free will. if I have this wrong , I hope one of our resident philosophers will explain my error . (no, really)
The Christian concept of the devil/ satan, has been lifted directly from Greek/ Roman religion*. The devil is no more than the harmless and good time god Pan.
*as with a bunch of other things ,including Jesus' birthday 25 December: Winter Solstice, pinched from the worship of The Sun God, Deus Sol Invictus, the invincible sun god (including halos)
Reading your post put me in mind of Epicurus and the existence of evil:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
@CDF47
Just for your information, although I suspect you won't bother:
Below is a link to an edited version of the 1948 Russell/Copleton radio debate on the existence of God. It is between philosopher Bertrand Russell(atheist) and Frederick Copleton, Jesuit philosopher. ( believer) I offer this because the arguments you present are long on claims but short on reason and rational thought. I urge you to listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXPdpEJk78E
The notion of the devil being a fallen angel (Lucifer) is part of Jewish tradition. As to how he could rebel; jews and Christians tend to agree on free will. I've always had a problem with that; God is omniscient, which means all knowing .He knows absolutely how his creations will behave, from first to last breath.To me, knowing the future abrogates free will. if I have this wrong , I hope one of our resident philosophers will explain my error . (no, really)
The Christian concept of the devil/ satan, has been lifted directly from Greek/ Roman religion*. The devil is no more than the harmless and good time god Pan.
*as with a bunch of other things ,including Jesus' birthday 25 December: Winter Solstice, pinched from the worship of The Sun God, Deus Sol Invictus, the invincible sun god (including halos)
Reading your post put me in mind of Epicurus and the existence of evil:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
@CDF47
Just for your information, although I suspect you won't bother:
Below is a link to an edited version of the 1948 Russell/Copleton radio debate on the existence of God. It is between philosopher Bertrand Russell(atheist) and Frederick Copleton, Jesuit philosopher. ( believer) I offer this because the arguments you present are long on claims but short on reason and rational thought. I urge you to listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXPdpEJk78E
