(April 4, 2019 at 11:13 am)Drich Wrote:(April 3, 2019 at 2:56 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: 1. The universe is 6,000-10,000 years old and complexity in nature is the result of intelligent design.
2. God created the earth in a perfect state in which there was no sin, disease, rot, death, and etc.
3. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, sin entered the world. Along with sin came disease, rot, death, and etc.
4. Viruses and harmful bacteria are among the causes of disease. These are complex organisms* and hence are intelligently designed. The effects of disease are the result of these organisms reproducing themselves.
5. Since disease did not exist prior to sin, viruses and harmful bacteria did not exist either.**
6. Sin has no will, consciousness, or ability to do anything. Some theologians do not even believe sin actually exists, analogous to how coldness does not truly exist but instead is a lack of heat (or holiness in the case of sin). And yet, despite being functionally indistinguishable from nothingness, sin was able to effectively match the intelligent design put forth by God.
7. An effect brought about with no discernible cause and guided by no intelligence whatsoever should be indistinguishable from randomness.
8. Therefore, young earth creationists believe that complex organisms spontaneously popped into existence out of nothing by accident.
*Viruses are not technically alive.
**Or harmful bacteria did exist, but either were unable to metabolize (yet miraculously continued to live) or else metabolized but the effects miraculously did not manifest as disease. Further, viruses were inexplicably dormant. Somehow, sin caused these miracles to permanently cease.
you do know that the above is known as a distinctive denominationally specific belief or teaching. why?because none of the 'religious facts' you mention are found anywhere in the bible.
meaning the time line you have given is artificial
2 the tree of of knowledge was the understanding of sin and thus the responsibility adam and eve and the rest of us are now responsible for this knowledge. It does not mean the world was sin free, it means before we knew what sin was it was not counted against us. Then death came to adam and eve not the rest of the world. only those who partook of the fruit of life had immortality. everything else died as per the norm.
3 sin did enter the world via the garden meaning the world outside the garden was a result of evolution and when Adam and eve sined and where cast into the world their off spring where responsible for sin and/bringing sin into the world. Otherwise there is no indication the world did not already work as it always has.
4-8 are personal diatribe which has no bearing on anything but personal thought based on broken/bad rendition of theology.
I see you want to disavow creationism. I don't accept that. Not until we see Christians fighting creationism. You people leave it to atheists.
Then again I understand it's impossible to stand for anything if you're spineless.
Jesus is like Pinocchio. He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
