RE: Didn't Nero launch Christianity?
April 12, 2019 at 9:18 pm
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2019 at 9:29 pm by Acrobat.)
(April 12, 2019 at 7:19 pm)Succubus Wrote:(April 12, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Acrobat Wrote: ...No, the gospels are all dated prior to Nero...
This is a blatant knowing lie!
If we don't know who wrote the gospels, and we don't, then we don't know when they were written. Mark, the first gospel mentions the temple being flattened by the Romans in 70AD. We know this happened because it was documented, so there is no possible way any of the gospels could predate that event.
You’re right, I had my period mixed up.
(April 12, 2019 at 12:56 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah it seems that Nero's persecution of Christians is just another historical hoax that never happened, nor did Christians exist at that time especially in Rome.
(April 12, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Acrobat Wrote: It's stretches all credulity to imagine all these texts were revised in such a way to include a crucifixion, leaving hardly a trace of such editing, or some evidence of earlier manuscripts absent of this, early sects who believe he died some other way, rumors of it, etc......
It doesn't stretch anything because there were many versions of Jesus before that council happened when Christian leaders decided what kind of version of Jesus they wanted and burned over hundred books which described different Jesus.
Like for instance the late 2nd-century church father Irenaeus said that many Christians thought Jesus lived to an old age before being crucified. He also wrote that all the presbyters in Asia Minor testify that Jesus lived to old age as well.
Or consider the writing of Justin Martyr, a second-century apologist who mentioned some quite strange gospel that obviously didn't survive to today:
"And when they tell that Hercules was strong, and travelled travelled over all the world, and was begotten by Jove of Alcmene, and ascended to heaven when he died, do I not perceive that the Scripture which speaks of Christ, 'strong as a giant to run his race, has been in like manner imitated?"
The NT writings show no sign or indications that the crucifixion portions were some how added as revision to the original text, all of the NT confirmes the crucifixion. So did writers like Tacitus.
It should come as no surprise that some messiah claimant was strung up by the romans. The only people that would be surprised by it, would be his followers, since that wasn’t part of anybodies expectations at the time.
Jesus being crucified seems a lot more likely than the sort conspiracy theories you’re trying to sell.