(April 15, 2019 at 11:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:(April 15, 2019 at 4:43 pm)Acrobat Wrote: That would probably of came as a surprise to Marcion, who wrote of Jesus having a historical life, even being brought In front of Pilate and being crucifiedI don't know how repeating what you've already been linked would help..but, again, Marcion didn't believe there was a historical jesus. He specifically rejected the birth life and death of any such man.
“And Pilate called together the chief priests
and the rulers and the people, and said unto them,
14 Ye brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people:
and, behold, I examined him before you,
and found no fault in this man of what ye charge against him:
15 No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him;
and, lo, nothing worthy of death hath been done by him.
16 I will therefore chastise him, and release him.
17 (Now he under a neces“
From the gospel of Marcion
The term "historical jesus" doesn't refer to a story about some god appearing in human form. That would be the mythical christ.
Do you understand?
No you’re just being dishonest. Marcion believed in a Jesus who had a historical existence, as his Gospel indicated. He also believed Jesus died and was crucified and resurrected just not in fleshly form. But clearly you haven’t read his gospel:
“when they were come to the place, which is called the Skull, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34[-34c] Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. 35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them scoffed at him, saying, Others he saved; let him save himself, if this is Christ, the chosen of God. 36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, and saying, 37 If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself. “
“returned to Jerusalem. And they found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, saying, 34 The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.“
Do you want to suggest that Marcion didn’t believe in things he wrote of in his Gospel?
Or perhaps you’re trying to dishonestly equivocate between Marcions belief that Jesus wasn’t made of flesh, and he just appeared that way, with Jesus not having a historical life?
It’s clear you’ve never read Marcion, didn’t know much of anything about his beliefs, besides the snippet on wikipedia, and lack the honesty to just admit you were wrong.
