(April 16, 2019 at 10:10 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: What on earth are you talking about? No one's excluding the comments of his critics, I'm simply noting that no one (including you, you...nutter....) has actually read marcions gospel, as it didn't survive, and all we have are the comments of his critics. It may be, as is so often the case, that they got this or that wrong for convenience, but assuming that they didn't...we can state with certainty that marcion rejected the notion of a historical jesus in favor of a mythical christ.
Believing that a god walked the earth and believing in the historical jesus are not the same thing, Acro. Do you understand?
DO you understand that you can believe both? That you can believe Jesus was a God, and that he was historical?
You keep appealing to Marcion God beliefs as if they negate his historical beliefs about Jesus, when the don't. You're operating on a false dichotomy.
And we don't just have comments, we have direct quotations from the Marcion's Gospel, so much so, that nearly all of his Gospel was able to be reconstructed. If anything the quotations are a far more certain, than anything else you can say of Marcion's beliefs, because they don't rely on his critics interpretations of them.
Quote:we can state with certainty that marcion rejected the notion of a historical jesus in favor of a mythical christ.
No, we can state with as much certainty as anything can be said of Marcion, that he believed in a historical Jesus, but he held supernatural beliefs, regarding the compensation of his fleshly appearance, him being divine, resurrected etc.... This is evident in Marcion's Gospel.
