RE: Didn't Nero launch Christianity?
April 16, 2019 at 12:06 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2019 at 12:09 pm by Acrobat.)
(April 16, 2019 at 11:46 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Ish. OFC you can believe the mythos and also believe that it was based on a flesh and blood man who had a mommy and a daddy and who grew up and had a life and a death. That's the historicists position. Marcion rejected this in preference for a mythical christ, explicitly.
No the historicist, position, is that Jesus existed in first century Jerusalem, went around preaching about the kingdom of God, was believed by his followers to be the messiah, and was crucified by the romans, give or take. Marcion believed all these things, just like every pretty much every historicist, secular, christian, or otherwise. Mythicist reject all these elements.
DO you deny that Marcion believed these things? Or are you merely just playing semantics here, on the meaning of "historical"?
Claims about Jesus biological makeup, what type of DNA he had, or whether his body was composed of the same material as ours etc, are not a requirement of the historical equation here. But just that he lived a historical life, walked around first century Jerusalem, subject to it's historical settings and circumstances.
Quote:Rehabilitating heretics through historical revisionism is as pointless an endeavor as can be imagined. Marcion did not believe what you believe, he did not believe what the church authorities believed. This is what made his beliefs heresy. He believed that a divine agent of the all was sent to save us from yahweh.
Marcion was a heretic, he didn't share a variety of fundamental beliefs that orthodox believers or the church believed.
But he did share a variety of beliefs as well, such as Jesus being crucified by pilate, living in the 1st century jerusalem, going around preaching about the kingdom of God etc....
