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Argument against Intelligent Design
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RE: Argument against Intelligent Design
(May 7, 2019 at 2:33 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:
Quote:1. Intelligence is known to cause effects exhibiting information rich and specified complexity 2. The universe and life are effects that exhibit information rich and specified complexity.
3. Therefore, intelligence is a possible cause for the universe and life.

The so called "W.L. Craig fallacy": He is applying everyday intuition and common sense to an environment where it is almost certianly not applicable.

The best explanation/model we currently have for the origin of the universe we live in is, that it once was condensed in a singularity, where, according to most recent calculations the fabric of spacetime breaks down. How can "intelligence" exist, particularly without time? Intellect involves thinking, thinking involves time. How does that work without time?

What is "specified complexity"? No IDer has ever explained it without question begging afaik.

Thanks for the great feedback. I have not answered that particular statement of his--but have answered his other circular reasoning/argument from ignorance/argument by analogy fallacies, etc. I did demand he thoroughly define "specified complexity" and give evidence for his "intelligent agent" and warned him that if he used the Dembski specified complexity model I would immediately end the converstaion because it's been refuted and classified as fraudulent and pseudoscience non-sense. 

Quote:The only way a possible intelligent cause for the universe and life can be challenged at all is if there could be found a non- intelligent source that can be demonstrated to cause effects of that kind/class
He is trying to establish that ID is the "default position" for the estimated origin of the universe. It is not.
Did you already allow him to shift the burden of proof yet? If so, it was a tactical mistake on your side. You have to demonstrate shit. If he claims ID, he has to support it, thats how the game works.

Quote:Since there are no known non-intelligent sources that can demonstrate causing effects of that kind/class (even a simple cave wall drawing), intelligence stands alone as the highest probable cause for the origin of the universe and life.
Shifting of burden of proof. Bare assertion.
How did he estimate this probability?


Quote:the only known cause for effects of that kind/class are intelligent causes. Period.
black swan fallacy
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Messages In This Thread
Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 6, 2019 at 7:48 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 6, 2019 at 8:35 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 7, 2019 at 12:45 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 7, 2019 at 2:47 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 7, 2019 at 6:33 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by brewer - May 6, 2019 at 9:44 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by chimp3 - May 7, 2019 at 8:26 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by brewer - May 7, 2019 at 8:36 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Brian37 - May 7, 2019 at 11:08 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 7, 2019 at 11:16 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 7, 2019 at 2:12 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Jrouche - May 7, 2019 at 2:52 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Amarok - May 8, 2019 at 6:27 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Amarok - May 9, 2019 at 7:41 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by snowtracks - June 1, 2019 at 10:19 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Nay_Sayer - June 1, 2019 at 10:44 pm
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by Amarok - June 2, 2019 at 2:57 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by LostLocke - June 2, 2019 at 10:44 am
RE: Argument against Intelligent Design - by madog - June 2, 2019 at 12:51 pm

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