Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.

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A business's existence is cut and dried Rhythm, in several ways, but it is never existant from sensual experience, as you are uniquely demanding of this subject. You are happy to have business defined by function, whereas you refuse to understand God from function. Therin lies the dissonance.

Point 1. "Until you have something of substance, there is nothing to consider."

So how is a business 'substance'? before it exists or after its function is defined?

Point 2. "If we were to allow function to provide a sort of indirect observation that function would have to align itself to some actual observation."

We observe what's in the universe to have certain function. To make sense of the universe, we apply God. God is that answer.

You might propose another answer. This is the subject in hand: function & not material.

" For example, if the function of god was to save human beings and bring their spirit closer to itself, one would need to observe a spirit. If it were to punish the wicked, one would have to show that the wicked are punished along the lines drawn in a manner that is beyond our control or ability. If it were to create us, one would need to show that we were in fact created. See, it's not difficult to think these things up, and you should know that, since that's what classical apologetics are all about, start to finish. "

All of which we can see to be true from a Christian perspective, so you have proved it.

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You completely miss the point, but that is to be expected because you don't understand the subject you're objecting to, which is the point.

Theism is vacuous, an empty bag of tricks based on obtuse reasoning and with meaningless definitions. Try to accuse me of missing the point if you like, but it won't make your position and argument any more credible, especially when you never present a single argument in favour of your position.

A bag full of fallacies there. What about the many conversations we've had where I did actually convincingly dismiss your many propositioons? I guess you've reduced this to insults and have given up trying.

It's rational if you have adopted an irrational position. That is: materialism over function as your descriptor for everything. You flail at knocking down something you see as woo and subsequenty fail to see what the rational point that POV is making.

Moving the goalposts and creating a straw man. You clearly stated that atheism was irrational because "it is formed from a lack of understanding of something". Now it is apparently irrational because it has to subscribe to materialism.

Yes: it is a lack of understanding of the subject, which isn't material but function based.

There are atheists who do not subscribe to materialism at least in it's most narrow definitions. But then you probably don't understand as you believe magic and mysticism can be rational. As for flailing I have presented a short version of an argument for the meaningless of theism and you've presented diddly squat, yet again.

I don't at all believe that magic and mysticism can be rational. And I know atheists can be many things. What I'm discussing here specifically is the materialist perspective, as that is the only opposition that I see presented.

You say I've proved diddly squat, which is nice. But you have no reasoning to support that. So we are forced to disregard your statement.