RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 2, 2019 at 9:43 pm
(This post was last modified: August 2, 2019 at 10:44 pm by Brian37.)
(August 2, 2019 at 2:47 pm)Shell B Wrote: It's fine to question social norms. It's strange to care what people think if they're literally doing nothing that affects anyone but themselves. I won't try to disavow anyone of their belief in fairy tales with the only exception being when it has a negative impact on others/the world in general. Sure, I'll tell someone that stoning people to death because they think god wants them to is incorrect. I won't tell them that their god isn't watching over them because that belief is harmless.
Humans are social animals , you cannot avoid that. When you say "It is strange to care what people think if they are literally doing nothing that affects anyone else".
It is impossible not to care what others do. Politics and religion affect the world, regardless of position.
In a moment of crisis I most certainly WONT argue if that belief brings that person comfort. I did that with my late mother. But in her lucid state prior to her decline she knew very well my position.
The title of this thread wasn't advocating being a dick. It was a criticism of humans hiding behind belief even in a lucid state, even when they are not the victim.
As an atheist, on my deathbed, I don't want some asshole telling me I will burn in hell. And trust me , I did not say to my mom, in her decline " you are going nowhere".
"Don't take away people's hope" is my criticism of people in their lucid state, but are too fearful to think they might not need a god. Just like the Church locked up Galileo for offering up the truth.
Shell, trust me. I know what you are going through. It is never easy to watch the decline of someone in your close circle, much less watch that person take their last breath., which I did.
My late mother always knew I was an atheist. But whenever she had health problems, and especially in her final decline, I never made god belief or religion a debate with her. My only focus was being there for her, and giving her any comfort and aid she needed.
My mom was my biggest supporter. She put me through college and bought me a house. We had nothing in common politically or religiously, and she was Felix and I was Oscar in the Odd Couple. But regardless, when the shit hit the fan we always had each other's back.
I still cared about what she believed just like she cared what I believed.
Let me put it to you this way. I love my current cat. No he did not buy me a house or put me through college. But I also know, just like when my brain dies, I wont be anymore. It sucks to know my late mother is not here. My live cat is, but wont be forever, neither will I.
All humans really can do is to value now, just like I value my late mother, just like I will mourn my cat when he passes. I don't want anyone mourning me in any superstitious way. All any theist or atheist can do in those final hours is to simply listen and do. But this thread was not about those final hours, this thread was about bad logic made by people in a lucid state.