(August 5, 2019 at 5:07 pm)Alan V Wrote:(August 5, 2019 at 1:20 pm)Acrobat Wrote: Existential nihilism, is just a rejection of intrinsic meaning, not relative or subjective meaning. If you're of the view that the only meaning life posses, is what we as human beings give it, but reject any sort of grand or ultimate meaning, outside of this you would be an existential nihilist.
It seems to me that you are the view that life doesn't posses any intrinsic meaning, only the extrinsic meanings human beings attach to it? Would that be accurate, regardless of whether you reject the nihilist label or not?
So you think you know what an atheist thinks better than he does? That's funny.
No, I'm just trying to reiterate what you seen too be implying, and asking whether that's accurate.
Quote:Humans create all meaning, including yours. You are no different in how you derive meaning than I am. You just tell yourself myths about it.
You're right I don't think there is much of a difference in how you or I derive meaning, though our views about it are different.
I think the statements that we create meaning, whether relative or not, is false.
We don't create meaning we find meaning.
If someone said they find life meaningless, we couldn't just say well if you just created your own meaning, than this wouldn't be an issue. In reality we might suggest they do a variety of things, in which we think they might find meaning in, such as spending time with loves ones, joining a community, etc...
I'm a dad, I find the idea of being a good father very meaningful. I didn't create this meaning, so the question could be why do I find it meaningful, is it because other human beings/society cajoled me into finding it meaningful? Or is the meaning here deeper than a purely human construct?
In my view there is some sort of intrinsic meaning to reality we occupy, thats not our own creation, which I acknowledge in the desire to be a good father, instead of seeing it as something society coerced me into believing, or a trick of my biological makeup.