(August 9, 2019 at 9:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(August 9, 2019 at 8:52 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I think it's more he intuits the ideal "good" (I still can't really grasp this bit but whatever) as something so divine as to call it "god". The issue here, I think, is that even if we did acknowledge that there is this ideal "good", from the perspective of atheists, there's no good reason to call it "god" if it doesn't behave as the kind of god that many of us intuit to be "god". For me, a "god" would have to have a mind and be personal, something that Acrobat's god doesn't seem to have.
So it's basically Acrobat arguing that Y exists, because the X that we all agree (or at least happy to assume) exists Acrobat calls Y (even though we don't intuit it as such). It's pretty much a word game at the end of the day.
That said, I do have my suspicions, and I wouldn't be surprised if in a different sort of discussion later on, Acrobat will argue for a literal Jesus and a literal Incarnation which (I think) is antithetical to his alleged notion of god.
Sure, and the point that I’m trying (and failing, apparently, lol) to make is that when push comes to shove, Acrobat admits that he just “knows” what good is; he just “sees” good, like he can see the sun. In other words, he’s making subjective moral judgements about what he thinks is good. And yes, even if he can demonstrate that some maximal or perfect good exists, it doesn’t necessarily follow that that “good” is any kind of god.
I don’t see statements lik holocaust is immoral/bad, or torturing innocent babies just for fun is wrong as subjective, but you do?
In my view if someone claimed the holocaust was good, they would be wrong, just like someone said the earth is flat. But you disagree?