How to easily defeat any argument for God

[LadyForCamus]

Sure, and the point that I’m trying (and failing, apparently, lol) to make is that when push comes to shove, Acrobat admits that he just “knows” what good is; he just “sees” good, like he can see the sun. In other words, he’s making subjective moral judgements about what he thinks is good. And yes, even if he can demonstrate that some maximal or perfect good exists, it doesn’t necessarily follow that that “good” is any kind of god.

I don’t see statements lik holocaust is immoral/bad, or torturing innocent babies just for fun is wrong as subjective, but you do?

What I’m saying is that you, Acrobat, are the one who is making that determination. I agree with you that the holocaust, and torturing babies is immoral. I don’t agree with you that a god, and/or a ‘divine maximal good’ is necessary for me to make that moral judgement.

In my view if someone claimed the holocaust was good, they would be wrong, just like someone said the earth is flat. But you disagree?

No. I agree. If a group of people can agree on a set of goals for that group, then we can say that certain actions are objectively good or bad, based on the pre-set goals for the group. If we decide that physical well-being is generally good for the majority of the group, then we can judge rape as objectively wrong with respect to that goal. That would be a moral fact.