RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 11, 2019 at 6:01 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2019 at 6:06 pm by GrandizerII.)
(August 11, 2019 at 3:09 pm)Acrobat Wrote:(August 11, 2019 at 1:06 pm)Grandizer Wrote: And they aren't the same as when you speak of the sun existing, lol. Morality is exclusive to the human species; we observe certain acts, and based on how we've evolved, generally view certain aspects of these acts as right or wrong. Again, X is wrong because of something about X, not because of something "out there in the divine realm". And we come to realize X is wrong not in the sense that we see something divinely transcendent about morality, but rather in the sense that our human intuition (thanks to evolution and social conditioning) "tells" us that X is wrong (again, in accordance with something observable about X).
Evolution is mainly the reason for your moral intuition, not the Good itself.
No one said divine.
The question is whether whatever good and bad refer to, is ultimately something about our emotional/biological state, like good and bad when it comes to our taste in pizza, or something external to our biological state.
You seem to agree with me that it’s something external to our biological state.
If good and bad are not describing something about our internal biological state, like our likes and dislikes, then the referent is something external to us, or in other words a reality outside of our biological state.
Or in other words, you and I both recognize that good and bad are out there, not in here, as we might say of the yellow of a ball, or the size of a room, and not how we say this drink is “good”, or that’s a really “pretty”dress.
Notice the question here revolves around the nature of what is being perceived and recognized, not in the beliefs built of whatever moral theory you subscribe to.
I know often folks like yourself want to have it both ways, but you can’t without contradicting yourself or resorting to incoherence.
Sure I'm the one having his cake and eating it lol. Not you, nuh uh. Me all along.
Somehow you say you accept objective morality, and yet you're forced to implicate a God that arbitrarily standardises morality.