RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 11, 2019 at 10:30 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2019 at 10:33 pm by GrandizerII.)
(August 11, 2019 at 10:15 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:(August 11, 2019 at 9:43 pm)Grandizer Wrote: He's been clear about it, and has explicitly confirmed time and time again that God and Good are one and the same.
Acrobat? When you're available, please confirm this for Belaqua, thanks
He’s also stated that a god that commanded holocaust or who’s nature made holocaust good, would be wrong.
Acro is confused. Either god and good are arbitrary and synonymous, or a god is only good insomuch as it conforms to some standard apart from itself.
I’m amused by the fact of his Christian god failing either way, as a source of moral value or knowledge.
That's true as well. Then perhaps Acrobat needs to be really clear on what he is arguing. Because I can only go by what he himself claims to be arguing for. If there is some incoherency in his position, then he will have to come to grips with that.
(August 11, 2019 at 10:27 pm)Belaqua Wrote:I don't agree that the acorn points towards a tree. There's no such end to which it points to. Under some circumstances, it may grow to become a tree, but not because of some potential deep inside it that is waiting to be woken up or something. The tree is not simply a grown up version of the acorn.(August 11, 2019 at 9:43 pm)Grandizer Wrote: An acorn alone does not have the potential to become a mature oak tree. An acorn can remain an acorn without ever becoming a tree or be a crushed acorn or eventually grow into a tree, and this all depends on what the surrounding conditions happen to be.That's right. But that's not an argument against final causes. The potential is there, and various things are required to get to the thing the acorn points toward.
In fact this is all a part of the Christian argument. A human being has the potential to be a great deal. The good is what supports that. The bad is what works against it.