How to easily defeat any argument for God

[GrandizerII]

This is important, but too difficult for me. Plato, Plotinus, a lot of the big guys, associated being with the good. Non-being is bad. 

For them, God is both existence itself, and the Good itself. And these are not just a random combination, but the only way it could be. 

Sad to say, I haven't worked out why they say that yet. 

But it means that for Christians, God is essential to morality, to the existence of the Good, because God is essential for the existence of everything, because you can't have anything without existence, which is God. And you can't have good at all without God, who is the good.

I'm working on all this. Reading a tough book about Plotinus right now. It is all fascinating, and more difficult than people make it out to be. 

Well, I've read philosophy books by theist philosophers. I had a hard time with some of their reasoning as well, but only because they were saying stuff that wasn't very convincing. It does not necessarily mean that they have something right, and I'm just not getting it.

Also, going back to the whole "something that is good is just good", doesn't that violate the PSR anyhow? I seem to recall theologians love their PSR. So do I, FTR.

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Murder takes away the life of another human being. The falling of a stone involves, well, merely the movement of a stone from a higher altitude to lower. We can look at these statements and see that there is something about murder that's just wrong (based on what it involves), but we don't see that same thing (or anything of the sort) about the second statement.

You’re right about one thing, we are seeing “wrong”, we’re not feeling it, thinking it, it’s not reflection of our state of mind, but something we are seeing.

But the wrongness we’re seeing is not in the facts regarding the taking of life here. You’re confusing something in which the light illuminates, with the light itself.

We're still doing the assigning of "right/wrong" (as a species), but we base the judgement on external acts.

Your light analogy, once again, indicates to me that you believe murder is wrong because of the Good. I can't accept that because it implies divine arbitrariness.