RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 15, 2019 at 12:21 pm
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2019 at 12:25 pm by Acrobat.)
(August 15, 2019 at 12:14 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(August 15, 2019 at 12:09 pm)Acrobat Wrote: I've indicated that we all recognize the objective badness of x, and that this objectiviness is real and not an illusion, or something subjective.
I've also demonstrated that this objective badness of x does not exist in any of scientific/natural facts about x. So if the objective badness of x is true, than it exists as a non-natural reality/property.
You have made no such demonstration. Repeatedly asserting is not demonstrating, neither is arguing by false analogy.
"good/bad" exists in the same way that "green" exists in a green leaf. There's no floaty weird spooky stuff going on by which you then recognize something is good or bad, lol.
Objectively good or bad, not just good or bad.
Don't leave the objectiveness of good and bad out.
I indicated that this objectiveness doesn't not exist in the scientific facts about x. I'm not going to pull out any objective property we can call good or bad from x. A point you seem to have conceded.
Good and bad are also not properties of my mind either, like my likes and dislikes, a point you conceded by acknowledge that good and bad are objective.
If Good and Bad are objective, given the two things indicated its not reducible to any scientific fact about x, or to our state of mind. Their objective existence is in something non-natural, a non-natural reality/property.
If you think otherwise, have another go at it. When I perceive the objectiveness goodness of badness of x, what is it that I am perceiving? Some scientific property of X? My brain state (if so than it wouldn't be objective)? If you want to tell me I'm not perceiving a non-natural reality when I see good or bad, then what is that I am perceiving?