RE: Libertarian left and right
October 14, 2011 at 5:14 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2011 at 5:30 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
(October 14, 2011 at 2:40 pm)5thHorseman Wrote: If I'm interpreting this correctly, left and right libertarianism would work if greed was not a problem.?
Left Libertarianism, otherwise known as anarchism, or anarcho-syndicalism, believe that the removal of wage and profit systems will greatly reduce greed and crime. they believe that the capitalist system is, at its root, the glorification and enabling of human greed.
Right libertarians, who also can go under the banner of anarcho capitalists, wish to remove the state and replace it with the purist form of capitalism. Of course many of them disagree over what its "pure form" is (see: austrian and chicago school of economics). right libertarians are all about individualism, but through capitalistic economics.
Some say that greed is human nature. And to a point I do agree. i also say that without capitalism greed would be a very small factor. Why steal in a community that makes everything available for free? Why worry about your employment in an economy that has removed things like inflation and trumped up "supply and demand" economics for the sole benefit of the few?
Quote:The term "communist" might be distasteful for the 'left libertarians" but that sounds to be essentially what it is.Yes it is, seeing that historically communists have opposed us 100%. Communism is authoritarian. They FORCE you into the commune. Syndicalists (left libs) create co-opts. Communists consider free speach, in the words of Lenin, to be a "bourgeois superstition". Syndicalists consider free speech to be the most important factor of humanity. Communists create a state wide commune. Syndicalists oppose such concepts as "the state", and they oppose any type of "authority".
Although the term tends to be affiliated with authoritarianism, a 'left libertarian paradise' would seem to be something along the lines of a community that has all but completely eliminated money and government, outside of a few necessary functions and everything done is done for the community at large.
Quote:There are many societies like this and many more that have come and gone - this sounds awfully similar to the sort of society many native american and african tribes currently and formerly had. Some of which were only introduced to the concept of property and currency when white people and spanish conquistadors showed up.This is very true. We allow people to live their dreams within the community. We see humanity as a collective of creative individual workers who should put the concepts of brotherhood/sisterhood first when dealing with their neighbors. In other words, you are very much an individual, but that does not excuse you from stepping on others to empower yourself.
Quote:This doesn't sound like the ideal society to me, however, as much of the progress humanity has made philisophically, technologically, and so forth are a direct or indirect result of many of the things a "Left Libertarian" society would eliminate. It also seems incompatible with large and very large populatoins that are literally dependant upon large-scale organisation brought about by powerful governments and corperations.Although syndicalism is an Ideal, and even considered an "Idealism", in no way do its adherents consider it a "Utopia". It will have its problems, and it does. In no way would a left libertarian society eliminate technology, philosophy, or other such things. Syndicalism, as i have said before, is a co-opt of individuals with no state authority above them. This means, if anything, that individual freedom and creativity will be enhanced... not eliminated. Syndicalism has been implemented in many different time frames and many different countries, most especially in Spain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederaci...el_Trabajo
But what you suggest can also be applied to most other forms of govt. You may as well say that democracy is incompatable with a large amount of people, as there will be no way that everyones voice or vote will be met.