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[Serious] Over the top
RE: Over the top
(August 22, 2019 at 8:32 pm)Grandizer Wrote: The argument, to remind you, was whether what Anom said was over the top. Based on what the doctrines of mainstream Christianity, no.

This is your interpretation. Mine is different. 

I think that we can and should face the fact that people are likely to behave very badly. People are selfish and unfair, and we easily find justifications for these things. 

And I think that loving people more is the best way to address this. 

Therefore, I think that acknowledging the flaws in human character does not mean someone is a misanthrope. Love (the opposite of misanthropy) doesn't have to be blind. 

This is from Buber (Jewish not Christian, but compatible):

Quote:In the eyes of him who takes his stand in love, and gazes out of it, men are cut free from their entanglement in bustling activity. Good people and evil, wise and foolish, beautiful and ugly, become successively real to him; that is, set free they step forth in their singleness, and confront him as Thou. [This is Buber's term for when we treat someone as valuable in himself, not an end to a means, infinitely unknowable and unprovably valuable.] In a wonderful way, from time to time, exclusiveness also arises -- and so he can be effective, helping, healing, educating, raising up, saving. [The exclusiveness refers to the fact that we tend to feel special obligation to our own kids, etc.] 

Note that there is no denial about the fact that many people are evil, foolish, and ugly.
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Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 6:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Amarok - August 16, 2019 at 7:02 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 16, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 7:15 pm
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 17, 2019 at 1:28 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 1:41 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 17, 2019 at 6:42 am
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 17, 2019 at 7:17 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 7:21 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 17, 2019 at 7:26 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 7:33 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 17, 2019 at 7:42 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 17, 2019 at 2:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 17, 2019 at 8:09 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 8:37 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 18, 2019 at 8:57 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 18, 2019 at 7:51 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 8:00 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 18, 2019 at 8:19 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 8:24 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 19, 2019 at 8:04 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 20, 2019 at 1:14 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 20, 2019 at 9:51 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 18, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 10:03 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 19, 2019 at 6:36 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 18, 2019 at 7:30 pm
RE: Over the top - by onlinebiker - August 16, 2019 at 7:18 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 16, 2019 at 8:23 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 16, 2019 at 8:57 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 16, 2019 at 9:10 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 9:20 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 16, 2019 at 9:30 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 9:56 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 16, 2019 at 10:14 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 10:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Pat Mustard - August 19, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 16, 2019 at 8:33 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 8:46 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 16, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 8:53 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 16, 2019 at 10:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 10:08 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 16, 2019 at 10:26 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 16, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 16, 2019 at 8:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 16, 2019 at 11:26 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 11:39 pm
RE: Over the top - by Little lunch - August 17, 2019 at 4:56 am
RE: Over the top - by Silver - August 17, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 12:31 am
RE: Over the top - by Silver - August 17, 2019 at 12:37 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 12:45 am
RE: Over the top - by Silver - August 17, 2019 at 12:54 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 1:01 am
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 20, 2019 at 9:59 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 20, 2019 at 6:50 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 21, 2019 at 10:09 am
RE: Over the top - by Little lunch - August 21, 2019 at 5:16 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 6:14 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 21, 2019 at 6:55 am
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 21, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 6:26 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 21, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 21, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 21, 2019 at 4:07 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 11:52 pm
RE: Over the top - by The Valkyrie - August 22, 2019 at 12:08 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 12:25 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 22, 2019 at 12:13 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 12:15 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 22, 2019 at 12:39 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 12:50 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 1:11 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 6:18 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 22, 2019 at 1:36 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 22, 2019 at 2:33 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 12:45 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 1:46 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:59 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 10:17 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 22, 2019 at 6:54 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 7:02 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 22, 2019 at 9:03 am
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 22, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 22, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 22, 2019 at 9:15 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 5:36 pm
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 23, 2019 at 8:17 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 8:29 am
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 24, 2019 at 3:23 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 3:52 am
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 24, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 25, 2019 at 4:50 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 5:23 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 25, 2019 at 7:30 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 6:41 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 23, 2019 at 8:33 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 8:57 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 23, 2019 at 9:08 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 23, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 24, 2019 at 8:21 am
RE: Over the top - by Deesse23 - August 24, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 6:18 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 6:24 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 6:46 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 7:15 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:45 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 9:37 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 9:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 23, 2019 at 4:15 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 22, 2019 at 7:29 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 22, 2019 at 8:24 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:30 pm
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 23, 2019 at 8:43 am
RE: Over the top - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 8:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 8:19 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 9:08 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 10:20 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 11:18 pm
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 26, 2019 at 12:33 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 26, 2019 at 1:25 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 4:25 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 26, 2019 at 6:31 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 6:39 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 26, 2019 at 1:45 pm
RE: Over the top - by Acrobat - August 27, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 27, 2019 at 2:02 pm
RE: Over the top - by Acrobat - August 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 27, 2019 at 5:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 27, 2019 at 6:14 pm
RE: Over the top - by LadyForCamus - August 27, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 27, 2019 at 8:22 pm
RE: Over the top - by Haipule - August 27, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Over the top - by mordant - August 28, 2019 at 9:02 pm
RE: Over the top - by Haipule - August 28, 2019 at 10:35 pm

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