(August 22, 2019 at 8:32 pm)Grandizer Wrote: The argument, to remind you, was whether what Anom said was over the top. Based on what the doctrines of mainstream Christianity, no.
This is your interpretation. Mine is different.
I think that we can and should face the fact that people are likely to behave very badly. People are selfish and unfair, and we easily find justifications for these things.
And I think that loving people more is the best way to address this.
Therefore, I think that acknowledging the flaws in human character does not mean someone is a misanthrope. Love (the opposite of misanthropy) doesn't have to be blind.
This is from Buber (Jewish not Christian, but compatible):
Quote:In the eyes of him who takes his stand in love, and gazes out of it, men are cut free from their entanglement in bustling activity. Good people and evil, wise and foolish, beautiful and ugly, become successively real to him; that is, set free they step forth in their singleness, and confront him as Thou. [This is Buber's term for when we treat someone as valuable in himself, not an end to a means, infinitely unknowable and unprovably valuable.] In a wonderful way, from time to time, exclusiveness also arises -- and so he can be effective, helping, healing, educating, raising up, saving. [The exclusiveness refers to the fact that we tend to feel special obligation to our own kids, etc.]
Note that there is no denial about the fact that many people are evil, foolish, and ugly.