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[Serious] Over the top
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(August 25, 2019 at 4:50 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You are intentionally concealing your actual beliefs.

I am not. I have been completely honest concerning these things. 

It's puzzling to me why people are unable to accept what I say. Is there some assumption that an atheist must not be interested in religious issues or religious art? A devout person might well accuse me of being unserious -- that I approach the whole thing aesthetically, looking for beauty rather than truth. 

I also find the unprovable mystical contemplations, like Buber's rewriting of Nietzsche's Dionysus vs. Apollo system, to be fascinating and informative about personal relations with the world. Not on a neurological level but on the level of empathy, emotion, valuation. 

There's no way I can know this, but I think that people may be assuming I'm a liar because they can't imagine that a person like me is real. That is, I seem so far from their own relation with religion and art, etc., that they don't see how it could work. Not that I am advanced or unique -- I think there have been many such people, especially before the age when atheists vs religious demanded the drawing of battle lines. 

But I'm a pretty old guy -- just turned 60 -- and I grew up in a tiny town with no culture and (in those days) no talk of religion. But ever since I escaped that I have been immersed in an intellectual and aesthetic world, first in Chicago, then New York, then London, and for many years now Japan. And this has led perhaps to different kinds of experiences and different expectations about what may be put together. 

I'm not expecting any empathy from you on this. That's OK. Some people, for their own reasons, interface with the world in an irate and judgmental way. But I am surprised by the reaction to what I consider to be normal -- something which grew organically just from studying what I like. It doesn't seem odd to me, but others who merely hear about it can't believe that I am speaking honestly.
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Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 6:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Amarok - August 16, 2019 at 7:02 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 16, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 7:15 pm
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 17, 2019 at 1:28 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 1:41 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 17, 2019 at 6:42 am
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 17, 2019 at 7:17 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 7:21 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 17, 2019 at 7:26 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 7:33 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 17, 2019 at 7:42 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 17, 2019 at 2:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 17, 2019 at 8:09 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 8:37 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 18, 2019 at 8:57 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 18, 2019 at 7:51 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 8:00 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 18, 2019 at 8:19 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 8:24 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 19, 2019 at 8:04 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 20, 2019 at 1:14 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 20, 2019 at 9:51 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 18, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 18, 2019 at 10:03 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 19, 2019 at 6:36 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 18, 2019 at 7:30 pm
RE: Over the top - by onlinebiker - August 16, 2019 at 7:18 pm
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RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 16, 2019 at 8:57 pm
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RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 16, 2019 at 9:10 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 9:20 pm
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RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 9:56 pm
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RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 10:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Pat Mustard - August 19, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 16, 2019 at 8:33 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 8:46 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 16, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 8:53 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 16, 2019 at 10:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 10:08 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 16, 2019 at 10:26 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 16, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: Over the top - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 16, 2019 at 8:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 16, 2019 at 11:26 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 16, 2019 at 11:39 pm
RE: Over the top - by Little lunch - August 17, 2019 at 4:56 am
RE: Over the top - by Silver - August 17, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 12:31 am
RE: Over the top - by Silver - August 17, 2019 at 12:37 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 12:45 am
RE: Over the top - by Silver - August 17, 2019 at 12:54 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 1:01 am
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 20, 2019 at 9:59 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 20, 2019 at 6:50 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 21, 2019 at 10:09 am
RE: Over the top - by Little lunch - August 21, 2019 at 5:16 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 6:14 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 21, 2019 at 6:55 am
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 21, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 6:26 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 21, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 21, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 21, 2019 at 4:07 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 21, 2019 at 11:52 pm
RE: Over the top - by The Valkyrie - August 22, 2019 at 12:08 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 12:25 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 22, 2019 at 12:13 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 12:15 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 22, 2019 at 12:39 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 12:50 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 1:11 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 6:18 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 22, 2019 at 1:36 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 22, 2019 at 2:33 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 12:45 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 1:46 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:59 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 10:17 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 22, 2019 at 6:54 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 7:02 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 22, 2019 at 9:03 am
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 22, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 22, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 22, 2019 at 9:15 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 5:36 pm
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 23, 2019 at 8:17 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 8:29 am
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 24, 2019 at 3:23 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 3:52 am
RE: Over the top - by LastPoet - August 24, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 25, 2019 at 4:50 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 5:23 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 25, 2019 at 7:30 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 6:41 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 23, 2019 at 8:33 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 8:57 am
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 23, 2019 at 9:08 am
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 23, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Over the top - by Abaddon_ire - August 24, 2019 at 8:21 am
RE: Over the top - by Deesse23 - August 24, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 6:18 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 6:24 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 6:46 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 7:15 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:45 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 22, 2019 at 9:37 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 9:59 pm
RE: Over the top - by Grandizer - August 23, 2019 at 4:15 pm
RE: Over the top - by brewer - August 22, 2019 at 7:29 pm
RE: Over the top - by Shell B - August 22, 2019 at 8:24 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:30 pm
RE: Over the top - by Mister Agenda - August 23, 2019 at 8:43 am
RE: Over the top - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 8:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 8:19 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 9:08 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 10:20 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 25, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 11:18 pm
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 26, 2019 at 12:33 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 26, 2019 at 1:25 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 4:25 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 26, 2019 at 6:31 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 6:39 am
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 26, 2019 at 1:45 pm
RE: Over the top - by Acrobat - August 27, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Over the top - by Fake Messiah - August 27, 2019 at 2:02 pm
RE: Over the top - by Acrobat - August 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 27, 2019 at 5:01 pm
RE: Over the top - by Athene - August 27, 2019 at 6:14 pm
RE: Over the top - by LadyForCamus - August 27, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Over the top - by Belacqua - August 27, 2019 at 8:22 pm
RE: Over the top - by Haipule - August 27, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Over the top - by mordant - August 28, 2019 at 9:02 pm
RE: Over the top - by Haipule - August 28, 2019 at 10:35 pm

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