RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 26, 2019 at 4:05 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2019 at 4:08 pm by Acrobat.)
(August 26, 2019 at 3:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(August 26, 2019 at 3:38 pm)Acrobat Wrote: Why do atheists like yourself get tripped over a fairly straightforward question? Is it that scary?
I’m not asking about things in respect to the goal, but about the nature of the goal itself.
Here I’ll ask the question again, let’s see if you can answer this time without the song and dance.
The goal in your moral frame work is the maximization of human well being.
You come up to me and tell me that I ought to do things that are beneficial to well being, and shouldn’t do things that are detrimental to wellbeing.
If I reject this, telling you no, I’ll do whatever I like to do regardless of whether it’s beneficial or detrimental to the wellbeing of others. In doing so have I rejected an objective truth, like 1+1=2, or the earth is round?
I haven’t right?
All I’ve rejected is some goal you wish I subscribe to, some subjective goal you want me to subscribe to.
Once again, conflating the "oughts" with the "ises" and confusing yourself in the process.
1+1=2 is not a goal, it's an expression of an "is".
Beneficial/detrimental to wellbeing is not a goal, it's an expression of an "is". You ought to consider one's wellbeing is the goal.
You’re conflating the ought with the is. I’m not asking about the is (what is it is not beneficial to well being) but the ought ( I ought to do what’s beneficial to wellbeing).
I’m pointing out that that the ought is just some subjective goal, something you wish other people like myself subscribe to, and not an objective truth. Ain’t that right?
This seems to be the million dollar question many atheists seem scared to answer. Am I just gonna get some more song and dance from you?