RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 27, 2019 at 11:34 am
(This post was last modified: August 27, 2019 at 12:03 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 27, 2019 at 10:32 am)Acrobat Wrote:(August 27, 2019 at 10:02 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Children also believe in Santa and the tooth fairy.
Santa and the toothy fairy need to be taught or instilled in children before they believe it, teleological perception don’t. They’re the default perception, like the sun they see, as out there.
No, human brains are pattern seeking, agency detecting, processors. This is part of our survival mechanisms. It is better for survival to have false positives (detecting a predator when there isn't one), than false negatives. It is this strong tendency to find patterns and agency where there isn't any, that is being leveraged to acquire, your so called 'teleological perception'.
And here's the thing, there are mountains of studies and evidence to support the above. No such evidence exists to support to support your contention.
Quote:Children, toddlers, just like all of us perceive an objectiveness to good and bad, the underlying nature of that perception is no different for the child than it’s for us.
You’re not dismissing the objectiveness, your just performing mental gymnastics to reformulate into a schema that has little to no resemblance to what’s actually being perceived.
If anything the fairytale believers here seems to be folks like yourself, that attempt to negate our default perceptions, and imagine they created a new objectiveness in its place, rather than a phony and incoherent dress they try to put on top of it.
A 3 month old baby less foolish than you.
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So, you are trying to support your assertion that we all teleologically detect a god, with children's undeveloped brains? The same children that have imaginary friends? Believe there are monsters in the closet or under the bed? You might want rethink your examples.
You do understand, that there are and have been cultures and tribes all over the world, with no god beliefs, right? The Pirahã are one example.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.