(August 26, 2019 at 9:07 pm)Acrobat Wrote: Watches are designed with an intrinsic purpose (telos) to tell time. Human beings similarly have an intrinsic purpose to be Good.
No we don't.
(August 26, 2019 at 9:07 pm)Acrobat Wrote: If my watch wasn’t telling time, it’s not serving the purpose in which it’s supposed to served, in same way human being not doing good, doing bad are not serving the purpose in which they are suppose to serve.
I don't even know why you would think this was a thing!
(August 26, 2019 at 9:07 pm)Acrobat Wrote: In fact we use parallel type of language here, immoral human appears broken, we use expressions as inhumane, absence of humanity, etc.
People who do bad things are bad people. They stray from the norm, but then so do really good people, we call them saints or heroes.
(August 26, 2019 at 9:07 pm)Acrobat Wrote: When most of us address immorality, when I tell my daughter she did something wrong, it’s with such implications in mind. That when she does something wrong, that she ought to have done what was right, ought to have done what was good, not as some subjective goal assigned to her by herself, me, or society, but one she’s endowed with, posses regardless of her subjective opinions or preferences, one she can no more deny, than a conscious watch can deny its purpose to tell time.
Well I think that's weird.
(August 26, 2019 at 9:07 pm)Acrobat Wrote: I don’t so much as follow a goal, but rather recognize one, one that I recognize as one not of my own creation, yours, or societies. In fact I often don’t follow it, give in to immorality, and find the idea of being good to be a struggle, and hard work, rather than something that comes naturally or something easy. But I can’t deny that the goal/purpose is a matter of some fundamental truth, rather than some subjective preference, as you implied. To actually view it as subjective, would require that I lie to myself, deny the earth is round.
That's just you.
(August 26, 2019 at 9:07 pm)Acrobat Wrote: This teleological view, isn’t a position I reasoned my way into, it’s the default assumption, the prevalent view of humanity, of a toddler, or a child, as teleology so entwined into our perceptions of reality, that it’s very difficult to be rid of.
And yet is not one I have ever had.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.