Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.

[DeistPaladin]

Oh, then allow me to make myself clear... I am not going to distract myself from my purpose of getting a response from rhythm, by going down your all too obvious rabbit trail.

Or even clearer... I'm not going to respond to this, INTENTIONALLY.

Well, if you remember how the topic came up, it's because you dismiss the Islamic god as being illogical and self-contradictory but the Trinitarian god, who is one person and yet three distinct people all at the same time, makes perfect sense.

I say this is "confirmation bias" but perhaps you have a reason to conclude that your god is so superior to all other concepts.

So do explain why the Triune god isn't self-contradictory and is the only possible god that could explain why we use logic or why there is morality.

We'll deal with the non-sequitur of a divine creator being necessary for there to be logic or morality later.

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You don't understand presuppositional arguments, do you?

You, Stat and Ryft all like to play that card (and I think have on this thread). You sound like a whiney teenager crying "you don't understand me".

We understand the "argument" just fine. It's utter crap.

Christian apologists have no store of yet unknown evidence or artifacts. They can't perform the magic tricks that Jesus promised those of true faith would be able to perform (Mark 16:17-18 as an example). All they (you) have is the endlessly rehashed philoso-babble arguments, which, even if they were sound, would fall short of the burden of proof you'd need to justify your supernatural claims.

To repeat, here's how your argument works:

1. Realize you need an argument to believe your articles of faith and you have buggerall as far as any hard evidence goes.
2. Create a problem that doesn't exist by asking some abstract "why" question (why do we use logic, why do we have morality, etc.).
3. Create a contrived definition of your god that solves the problem that doesn't exist ("moral goodness is bound in the very nature of God" etc). Don't worry about offering any proof of your claims. Just use your bare assertions to prove your point.
4. Say GodWillsIt, GodDidIt, GodDoesIt, etc.
5. Dismiss all other gods as irrational but don't apply the same skepticism to your own god.
6. Throw around a bunch of Latin phrases. That always makes philoso-babble sound so sophisticated.