A Moral Reality

[Vince]

You ever heard of moral dumbfounding? Our rational moral justification are post hoc justifications, that have very little to do with why we recognize some things are bad.

I disagree.  I do agree that we have immediate initial thoughts about a moral action that is often correct.  But without comparing that action to a moral standard you have no idea if it is right.  We have morals and a sense of what is right or wrong but we need to use reason to justify the moral beliefs.  It is not a justification after the fact just so we can do anything we want.  I am not saying that people don't do that, I have done that as well.  However, we can use reason to determine what is morally right and wrong.

Not really. In the real world, in the sort moral dilemmas that affect real people, the situation is more a matter of persons inability to recognize their own intentions, not so much what’s right and wrong. They do things out of hatred and resentment but lie to themselves by believing it’s out of love, or for justice, etc...

For all people some of the time I agree.  That does not mean that some cannot have justifications for their beliefs.  It seems to me that you are advocating that whatever we think is moral in a situation we should do that.  That lends to lead to bad moral descisions if I am understanding correctly.

A man takes our his disappointments in life on his wife or child, but imagines that it’s something his wife or kid did, rather than recognize his scapegoating.

It’s because people often prefer to lie to themselves, be in the dark that in the light.

If you ever had a love one who is a disappointing moral failure, the problem isn’t that they don’t know what’s right or wrong, but they seem incapable of living right, perhaps even prefer it, or think it’s what they deserve and belong, and suffer in the darkness as a result. Men are afraid of themselves, their condition that put them there, to have it exposed, and brought to where it’s revealed, that they rather stay and die in that condition than anything else.

How people actually act and how we should act is the reason we need morality.  Lumping all people as you describe here is ridiculous.  Having a way to determine what is morally right will help solve the problem you describe here.  There are many situations where we need to contemplate, get advice and reason to determine what the right/moral thing to do is and even then it may be unclear.  

For example, many parents have an intuition that spanking their child is a moral punishment, but many after really thinking about it come to the conclusion that spanking is morally wrong.  Without reason morality is just how you feel what is right at any moment, not what is actually right.

The reality of morality is far different then one you think it is.

I think people are far different that you think they are.