RE: Why not deism?
September 16, 2019 at 10:17 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2019 at 10:19 pm by Inqwizitor.)
(September 16, 2019 at 9:02 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Well, even deists are operating on faith.How so?
Quote:The difference between god and actual phenomena we know exists but don't understand, is that we actually have objective, verifiable evidence of those phenomena. We're far from understanding what black holes are, but we have plenty of evidence they exist. For god? Not so much.The universe itself is sufficient evidence of something not-universe. Or at least not this universe. As all arguments do, this rests on some assumptions, such as the principle of sufficient reason and a rejection of "brute fact" as a satisfactory explanation.
Quote:And god doesn't necessarily provide meaning in people's lives. And people who don't believe in god are not devoid of meaning. If anything, my stakes are much higher than yours. You think you're going to live forever after your human body dies. I don't. I have much more reason to enjoy my time here on Earth, spend time with my family, do things I enjoy and chase passions that make me who I am as a person.For a deist, this is also true. This life is all there is. I'm not a deist, but I disagree that the stakes are not as high for me. They are higher, if you consider that eternal destiny rests on this one life. That doesn't even require faith: What if Nietzsche's eternal return is true? Then this life matters even more because it's not the only one and everything you do has far greater consequences.
I don't need some idea of god for life to beautiful. Life is beautiful enough by itself. There's no need for fairy-tales.
I don't want to disagree with "life is beautiful" but that's not true for everybody, either. It can be really not beautiful for some people, though perhaps there is some inherent beauty in simply being.