(September 19, 2019 at 7:23 pm)Lek Wrote: What I'm saying is that a religious person is going to have spiritual experiences with God because they commune with God. An atheist isn't likely to have one because he doesn't commune with God. I just was qualifying when I made the statement about some non-believers having these experiences, but it's going to happen more with those who are truly searching.
Well, I don't think that's necessarily true. Certainly there have been atheists who tried very hard to "commune with god" but were unsuccessful, no?
What made them different from these supposed non-believers who were converted by revelatory experiences? Did they just not try hard enough?
And, so you see, this is the problem with trying to use these experiences as evidence for god, or rather evidence that anyone else should consider credible or reliable.
If all Christians, for example, had the exact same type of revelation in the exact same way, seeing the exact same things, even that would be more useful than just Lek, on AF, telling us we should believe in god because he said so.
But that's not the case is it? Even among Christians, revelations and experiences with god differ massively from one another. We may see some similarities in these accounts... but not enough to consider the lot of them reliable sources for evidence of god.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
