RE: Evidence for Believing
September 24, 2019 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2019 at 11:11 am by LadyForCamus.)
(September 23, 2019 at 8:28 pm)Lek Wrote:(September 23, 2019 at 8:03 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Yet you and all those billions of people have “revelations” about gods that are entirely mutually exclusive. I just listened to a Christian describe a revelation by god who told him he was not omniscient, or omnipotent, so how do we figure out who’s right? Also, appealing to the number of people who believe something is a fallacy, which has been pointed out to you several times by several people.You can't dismiss it as a fallacy.
Pay attention. I am not dismissing your conclusion (it was god) because of the fallacy you’re using. I am pointing out that you have reached your conclusion (it was god) using fallacious reasoning. That’s a ‘you’ problem, not a ‘me’ problem. Whether or not your conclusion is actually true is irrelevant to the fact that you are not warranted in believing it is true, because you’ve used fallacies to get there. If you’re comfortable knowing that the reasoning you’ve used to reach a conclusion about the most important belief of your entire life is erroneous, then no one here is likely to change your mind. But, that’s something you have to live with, not us.
Quote:Testimony of large numbers of people is evidence. According to the Me Too movement, it's enough to destroy people's lives.
And, hundreds of thousands of people right now think the earth is flat. Is their belief, alone, sufficient evidence that the earth is flat? Yes or no? The number of people who believe some claim is true has zero rational bearing on whether or not it’s actually true. This is as objective as 2+2=4, whether you like it or not. If you believe that someone from the MeToo movement has been unfairly and unreasonably treated then start a thread about it, and we can discuss the evidence and reasoning surrounding that particular claim, and whether or not belief is warranted.
Quote:As I stated before, people having different descriptions of an indescribable entity isn't strange. Our various ideas and images of God are vehicles that help us go to him. And no, God doesn't have to give us all the same image of him, since any image we have could not describe him.
This is nothing more than an ad hoc rationalization for why so many people’s experiences of god are contradictory, and often times mutually exclusive (another fallacy), and is unrelated to the base fact that NONE of you have a way to distinguish between a revelation and your own mind. Therefore, your belief has not been rationally justified, and you can’t continue to whine about why folks here don’t believe in god. It’s because we, unlike you, can recognize that you have no good reason to believe your experience was caused by a god to begin with.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.