(October 16, 2011 at 7:21 am)fr0d0 Wrote: "Magic" is slight of hand; false; trickery; not true; deception. Miracles are cliamed to be true; not deception; divinely facilitated positive events. I have made no claims about function, but I point out the problem with an exclusivity in proposing material existence is all that can be said to exist.Nope thats just wrong. Magic as defined by Wikipedia: "Magic is the claimed art of manipulating aspects of reality either by supernatural means or through knowledge of occult laws unknown to science." I think you are narrowing the definition just to be that of the David Copperfield showbiz variety. So it still stands, what makes xtian magic mo beleivable than pagan magic or Hindu miracles?
(October 16, 2011 at 7:21 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yeah the bit I didn't bold was completely off the subject. I don't care what examples you use to see that some things are defined by their function... but that they do is very plain to see. You seem to be willing to distort reality in order to dismiss that: "Businesses don't exist".Name just one occasion where I distorted reality. I gave you my answer and you have not refuted it. I have infact embraced reality as an absolute to make the point (I can give a much fuller version if you wish). Again you have failed to address the fact that you have no theory of concepts and you loosely apply the word 'exists' to conceptual integrations falsely. These are products of the conscious mind only and not of reality which is absolute and cannot be altered by mind, nor wishing it so etc. I don't deny parts of businesses have presence in the universe, that is clear from physical assets, customers, employees. But loyalty, goodwill, drive do not as they are products of human minds only. Reality is what's left after we have removed consciousness.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
