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Evidence for Believing
RE: Evidence for Believing
(October 1, 2019 at 8:54 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote:
(October 1, 2019 at 8:49 pm)Grandizer Wrote: It's fine to have a belief, a tentative provisional viewpoint on matters like this, but let's not confuse a strong conviction about our beliefs with knowledge, and let's not even have such a strong conviction.

I agree with you that faith is not knowledge. I disagree that there isn't value, sometimes tremendous value, in strong convictions about what we cannot definitively prove, though. There is danger there too, but I'd rather not throw the baby out with the bathwater (and I do believe in a divine baby, after all).

I don't think that the concept of God in itself is necessarily an object of faith. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit is (and I guess so is the FSM if there is an ounce of sincerity in it) but not the metaphysical concept of actus purus; but igtheism makes a good point that the word "God" in itself, at least semantically, might be meaningless.

There can always be the appearance of tremendous value or tremendous harm in any wishful self-deception.   There can also be the similar potential for tremendous apparent value and harm in revelation of demonstrable facts.   The overall value of the contingent effects of both wishful self-deception and  demonstrable facts, may on a first approximation be said to be similar,  and both are a wash.


The difference is what remains when the up and down swings of contingent value that sums up to nothing is removed.   In the case of faith nothing remains.   In the case of facts there will always remain the actionable understanding of what really is there.

But faith by nature does not give way to facts, and instead seem to propagate and aggrandize itself at the expense of facts and truth.

So the "tremendous" value in faith of which you speak are at best a random fluctuation that may seem to tick up today, but could just as easily crash down tomorrow.    But embracing faith likely comes at the opportunity cost of sacrificing the lasting value derivable from understanding of demonstrable facts.
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Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 6:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Prycejosh1987 - November 13, 2019 at 4:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by GUBU - November 14, 2019 at 2:56 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - November 14, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by chimp3 - September 18, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 6:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 18, 2019 at 6:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 6:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by chimp3 - September 18, 2019 at 7:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 18, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 18, 2019 at 7:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by chimp3 - September 18, 2019 at 7:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 18, 2019 at 7:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Aegon - September 18, 2019 at 7:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 18, 2019 at 8:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 18, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 18, 2019 at 7:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 18, 2019 at 7:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 18, 2019 at 8:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 8:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 18, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 8:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 18, 2019 at 8:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 18, 2019 at 10:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 19, 2019 at 2:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 19, 2019 at 8:24 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 19, 2019 at 9:24 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 19, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 12:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LastPoet - September 19, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 19, 2019 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 19, 2019 at 9:42 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 19, 2019 at 6:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 10:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 19, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 19, 2019 at 7:04 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 19, 2019 at 8:21 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 8:27 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - September 19, 2019 at 8:31 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 19, 2019 at 9:46 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 19, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 19, 2019 at 1:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 2:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 19, 2019 at 9:52 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 10:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 12:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 19, 2019 at 1:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 1:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by GUBU - September 19, 2019 at 2:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Objectivist - September 19, 2019 at 2:25 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 2:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 3:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 19, 2019 at 3:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 19, 2019 at 3:25 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 20, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Objectivist - September 19, 2019 at 3:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 4:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 19, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - September 19, 2019 at 8:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by no one - September 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 6:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 7:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 7:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 19, 2019 at 8:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - September 19, 2019 at 8:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 20, 2019 at 12:10 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 21, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 21, 2019 at 9:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 21, 2019 at 9:53 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Rahn127 - September 19, 2019 at 8:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 8:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 20, 2019 at 12:44 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Mister Agenda - September 20, 2019 at 9:49 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 20, 2019 at 11:00 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 21, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 21, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 21, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 21, 2019 at 3:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 21, 2019 at 3:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 12:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 22, 2019 at 1:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 22, 2019 at 1:15 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - September 22, 2019 at 8:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 21, 2019 at 5:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 21, 2019 at 5:35 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 21, 2019 at 10:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 21, 2019 at 11:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 21, 2019 at 11:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 22, 2019 at 12:46 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 22, 2019 at 1:06 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 22, 2019 at 1:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LastPoet - September 22, 2019 at 4:54 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 22, 2019 at 5:13 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 22, 2019 at 5:40 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 22, 2019 at 7:32 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 22, 2019 at 4:03 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 22, 2019 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 22, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 5:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 22, 2019 at 9:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by TaraJo - September 22, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 8:48 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by TaraJo - September 22, 2019 at 9:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 9:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by TaraJo - September 22, 2019 at 9:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 9:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 10:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 22, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 7:43 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 12:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 3:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Abaddon_ire - September 23, 2019 at 5:15 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 24, 2019 at 3:56 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 4:03 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 24, 2019 at 12:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 24, 2019 at 4:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 22, 2019 at 10:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 10:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 22, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 10:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Rahn127 - September 23, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 7:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 7:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 7:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 8:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 8:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 23, 2019 at 8:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 23, 2019 at 8:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 23, 2019 at 8:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 24, 2019 at 4:59 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 23, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 24, 2019 at 10:07 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 24, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 5:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 5:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Abaddon_ire - September 24, 2019 at 6:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 24, 2019 at 8:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 11:36 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 24, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 2:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 24, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 23, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 23, 2019 at 8:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - September 23, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 23, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 23, 2019 at 9:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 9:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 24, 2019 at 12:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 7:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 7:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 7:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 8:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 8:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 9:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 9:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - September 24, 2019 at 8:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 25, 2019 at 11:03 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 30, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 30, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 1, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 1, 2019 at 5:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 2, 2019 at 12:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 2, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 2, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 2, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2019 at 2:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 2, 2019 at 5:15 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 3, 2019 at 4:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 2:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - October 2, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 1, 2019 at 6:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - October 2, 2019 at 9:39 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 2, 2019 at 10:58 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Ricardo - September 30, 2019 at 9:48 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 30, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Rahn127 - September 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 30, 2019 at 3:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 30, 2019 at 7:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - September 30, 2019 at 9:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 1, 2019 at 2:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Succubus - October 1, 2019 at 9:51 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 7:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 1, 2019 at 8:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 1, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 8:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 1, 2019 at 9:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 5:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 5:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 3, 2019 at 3:07 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2019 at 11:26 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2019 at 5:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 6:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2019 at 6:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 6:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 7:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 9:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 9:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 3, 2019 at 11:25 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Succubus - October 2, 2019 at 6:07 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 30, 2019 at 5:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 30, 2019 at 5:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 30, 2019 at 6:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by snowtracks - October 1, 2019 at 2:13 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Peebo-Thuhlu - October 1, 2019 at 3:08 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Abaddon_ire - October 1, 2019 at 3:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 1, 2019 at 6:49 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 1, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 1, 2019 at 9:59 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - October 1, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 1, 2019 at 7:48 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 7:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 1, 2019 at 8:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 1, 2019 at 8:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 1:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Ricardo - October 2, 2019 at 3:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 3:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 2, 2019 at 4:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 5:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 6:25 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 6:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 6:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 7:35 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 8:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 8:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 8:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 9:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 6:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 9:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 9:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 10:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 9:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 9:50 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 11:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 3, 2019 at 12:30 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 3, 2019 at 6:43 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 3, 2019 at 10:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Cod - October 4, 2019 at 4:20 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 4, 2019 at 7:10 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Cod - October 4, 2019 at 7:15 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 4, 2019 at 7:59 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LastPoet - October 4, 2019 at 8:04 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 4, 2019 at 10:13 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 4, 2019 at 2:25 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 4, 2019 at 3:40 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 4, 2019 at 7:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - October 4, 2019 at 10:33 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 10, 2019 at 8:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 10, 2019 at 8:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 4, 2019 at 11:37 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 4, 2019 at 2:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Mister Agenda - October 3, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 3, 2019 at 9:05 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 3, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 3, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 3, 2019 at 6:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 3, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 3, 2019 at 7:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 3, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - October 3, 2019 at 10:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 3, 2019 at 7:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Cod - October 4, 2019 at 8:08 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Mister Agenda - October 4, 2019 at 9:04 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LastPoet - October 4, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 4, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LastPoet - October 4, 2019 at 2:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Macoleco - October 4, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 7, 2019 at 2:27 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - October 7, 2019 at 8:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 7, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 7, 2019 at 12:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2019 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - October 7, 2019 at 8:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - October 7, 2019 at 8:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2019 at 8:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - October 7, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2019 at 8:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - October 7, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - October 8, 2019 at 1:11 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 8, 2019 at 1:30 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - October 8, 2019 at 2:24 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 8, 2019 at 4:39 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Foxaèr - October 8, 2019 at 2:50 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - October 8, 2019 at 3:59 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - October 8, 2019 at 7:31 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - October 8, 2019 at 8:06 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - October 8, 2019 at 9:47 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 8, 2019 at 12:16 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2019 at 8:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 8, 2019 at 3:09 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Cod - October 7, 2019 at 6:45 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Succubus - October 7, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 7, 2019 at 11:35 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 8, 2019 at 1:52 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 8, 2019 at 4:30 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 10, 2019 at 8:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - October 10, 2019 at 9:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 10, 2019 at 10:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 10, 2019 at 11:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 10, 2019 at 11:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 11, 2019 at 12:01 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 11, 2019 at 1:26 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - October 11, 2019 at 9:55 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 11, 2019 at 1:37 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - October 11, 2019 at 2:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 12, 2019 at 1:48 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - October 13, 2019 at 5:32 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 13, 2019 at 5:48 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 11, 2019 at 4:22 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by GGG - October 27, 2019 at 2:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 27, 2019 at 6:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Abaddon_ire - October 27, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - October 28, 2019 at 8:00 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by desire4hitchasia - November 12, 2019 at 3:48 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - November 12, 2019 at 4:06 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by desire4hitchasia - November 12, 2019 at 4:16 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - November 12, 2019 at 4:19 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 5:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 14, 2019 at 8:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 2:40 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2019 at 2:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 14, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 4:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 14, 2019 at 5:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 5:39 pm

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