RE: Evidence for Believing
October 2, 2019 at 2:41 pm
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2019 at 2:42 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 2, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Lek Wrote:(October 1, 2019 at 5:30 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Could you please define and describe the god you believe exists?
I.E., do any ancient texts/holy books accurately depict it? If so, which ones? Does it interact with the physical universe and/or the sentient beings within the universe in any detectable, verifiable and repeatable way? Or whatever other pertinent information you might think would add to your description.
You might have done it in the past, but I don't see it in any of your latest threads.
Thanks!
Since he is indescrible in human terms, I can only give attributes. I use "he" for lack of another pronoun. He always existed and will always exist. He was not created, but he is the creator of the physical universe - omnipotent, omniscient, loving, personal, without gender, no form, etc. He exists in and apart from the universe and sustains it every second. I'm not of the Sikh religion, but my image of God is pretty much the same. The holy book of Sikhism is the "Sri Guru Granth Sahib".
Man!
If that thing exists, I really, sincerely want to know about it.
As I've stated many times, one of my main motivations in having these types of conversations, is to have as many true beliefs as possible, and eliminate as many false beliefs. I care deeply whether my beliefs are true or not. I want my internal model of the universe to map, as closely as possible, to the actual universe.
When I am told by physicists, astronomers, chemists, biologists, etc, that things like: quarks, muons, black holes, molecules, DNA, etc exist, and behave in specific ways, I understand that it is possible (although very highly improbable) that I could study these things, and demonstrate their existence to a very high degree of certainty, as these other scientists have.
They are able to point to their data, their methods, their experiments, their math, their observations, etc, and very importantly, they are able to propose the type of data and observations that would falsify their claims.
In other words, there is a very specific set of steps to get me to an understanding of them, i.e., many years of school, study of advanced math, working with advanced experimental equipment, direct observation, etc, etc.
Please let me know the specific steps I could take, that would get me to the same understanding of this god you claim exists, and has the attributes you claim it has.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.