(October 2, 2019 at 9:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: If god isn't helpful here, Inq, then you've undercut the entire premise of rationality and ontological argument. We could certainly agree to proceed as though the bare assertion of some simple x were true, but since you've already declared that this simple x isn't a god, god being reducible, there's no point.
Another poster already offered a candidate for that simple x. Existence. This never really escaped attention. Even by christian theologians, who declared god the ground of being for precisely this reason.
...and we're still just rolling around on the floating turd of "there's stuff we don't know"...............? Sure, why not. Is any of that stuff god stuff? If not, who cares?
We can logically argue about whether reality ends in a brute fact or not. As for my faith, I can't logically prove that, but I can defend it from contentions that it's indistinguishable from any bullshit.
