RE: Evidence for Believing
October 3, 2019 at 12:30 am
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2019 at 12:33 am by Anomalocaris.)
(October 2, 2019 at 11:51 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote:(October 2, 2019 at 9:59 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: That x hasn't been proven false isn't a reason to believe in that thing, or evidence for that things existence. Nor does it add credibility or rationality to belief in that thing. Not sure what this has to do with the god of cathol, though.
Catholicism is deliberately contrived, illogical, and contradicts known facts. I do appreciate that you have some heterodox beliefs for a catholic, ofc. Common these days, according to the church.
Get thee to a priest.
-and after that, maybe distinguish your faith from any old bullshit, rather than irrationally exclaiming that you've already shown me the ball you claim to be holding. I just want to see the ball.
I'm within the bounds of orthodoxy. "God is absolutely simple" for example, is a Catholic dogma. If you're really interested, we can look at the specific teachings you think are deliberately contrived, illogical and contradict known facts, but I'm really reluctant to bloat the religion forum on this atheist website any more than it already is. The atheist forum should have way more threads and posts. There are plenty of religion websites.
@Anomalocaris do you at least accept that faith is even possible? You seem to be saying — correct me if I'm wrong — that anything which isn't verifiable under direct empirical conditions is bullshit. Do you accept that revelation is a possibility? These are ideas to aim at before we assess any particular faith, or you're just asserting that what I believe is bullshit because it can't be anything else.
You seem not to understand the fact that a proposition has none-zero possibility of being true does not make it any less than total bullshit.
Literally all bullshit has some infinitesimal possibility of being true. Even bullshit which seems to contradict apparent facts-still have some infinitesimal possibility of not really contradicting them when the how things are evaluated and examined more closely. So the possibility of something being true is no excuse for thinking it is not bullshit. If you are to accept faith to be true because it has some possibility of being true, you must then accept all possible bullshit of all possible types are all no less than your faith, because they have have possibilities of being true that are essentially indistinguishable from your pet faith.
What separates bullshit from more valuable proposition is the valuable proposition must have specific and sound evidence for it actually being discernibly more likely to be true than merely having some trivial infinitesimal possibility of being not false.
Where is such evidence for your received truth?
Received truth can possibly be true. But no more possibly true than any other random bullshit. So it is still bullshit. Now get over it.