RE: Evidence for Believing
October 3, 2019 at 3:07 am
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2019 at 3:10 am by Deesse23.)
(October 2, 2019 at 5:37 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: Faith is assent to superrational truth. The way I see it is to have a true desire to know God and be willing accept what he gives to you.Word games. You are asserting/presupposing a superrational truth. Your assertion lacks a certain demontration tho.
Your desire does not automatically makes things true. Presupposition doesnt become a better method to find whats true because of desire.
In other words:
Any proposition, true or (demonstrably) false can be beleived in based on faith. Therefore faith is no good way to truth. What you are doing here is presupposing that what is believed in by faith is true by default. Demonstrate that your *truth* is true!
(October 2, 2019 at 5:15 pm)Lek Wrote: I've told you a number of times already. Read my lips! There is no scientific method that I know of to finding God.You havent been asked to use the scientific method and demonstrabla facts, but anything that is as realiable as the scientific method and demonstrable facts. I´d say most people here agree with me that "having true desire" doesnt come even close. I have a true desire for this insane thread to end, will it, tho?
(October 2, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: faith, which is motivated by a genuine desire for truth.Since any proposition, true or false, can be believed in by faith it still fail to see faith as a realiable method to actually find the truth.....and i am already giving you the benefit of doubt that faith isnt anything else but (your assertion) motivated by a genuine desire for truth. If faith was, you surely would use a better method to find the truth than faith.
(October 2, 2019 at 9:09 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: The supernatural is an explanation for something ....The supernatural becomes an explanation as soon as you have defined it and demonstrated it to at least be possible. Go!
(October 2, 2019 at 9:09 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: It opens up the possibility of getting us closer to the sort of truth that we cannot empirically verify but is beneficial to our well-being and conforms with all human means of knowing objective reality.Presupposition again. How do you figure out your *truth* is actually true?
How do you know your *truth* is benefial to our well-being?
Does something being beneficial to our well being have any bearing on the truth of it?
I am noting that with each reply, you are delving more and more into grandiose blathering, all puff, no substance. Impressive only to the gullible and ill informed (see above).
(October 2, 2019 at 9:26 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: A revealed truth is a clearly defined proposition that can be tested with methods of truth finding, whether it contradicts known facts. Demanding a test for efficacy of a truth is declaring that all truth is a directly observable fact.Word games, equivocation to be precise. You are defining your BS to be true by asserting that your *truth* can contradict known facts. Demonstrate this to be true, in the classic meaning of truth please, not in your own *i define/equivocate my BS to be true* meaning.
Please show me your methods of truth finding. So far i have only read about *true desires* n stuff.
(October 2, 2019 at 9:41 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: There is truth that we cannot observe our way to because of our limited perception, and truths we cannot logically prove because the parameters of observable reality are not set in an axiomatic system.So you have discovered new methods to find out truths we cant find without those new methods. Please explain your mehods, demonstrate their effectiveness, and apply them to, let say....a *revealed truth*.
(October 2, 2019 at 9:46 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: We can logically argue about whether reality ends in a brute fact or not. As for my faith, I can't logically prove that, but I can defend it from contentions that it's indistinguishable from any bullshit.You couldnt. Not a bit. For real.
(October 2, 2019 at 9:50 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: but, the inverse of that is something is not false because it has not been proven to be true.Nope, for 20+ pages you have made assertions about having found some *revealed truth*.
Now, after all these pages trying to assert that you can detect the undetectable about faith and *genuine desire for thruth* you are backpedaling to "my god is not false just because i cant prove it to be true"?

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