RE: Evidence for Believing
October 4, 2019 at 11:37 am
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2019 at 11:58 am by Simon Moon.)
(October 3, 2019 at 10:59 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU
Oh Please...
When medical scientists are doing experiments with rats, the control group of cancerous rats have a certain percent (small for sure) that have spontaneous remissions. The scientists currently do not have an explanation for this phenomena.
Are these supernatural events? Is it your god responsible for curing a tiny percentage of rats? Is the rodent god responsible?
Why are these miracle healings always diseases that can sometimes have spontaneous remission on their own?
There have been several studies recently, that have shown that 20% of MS patients are actually suffering from other (much less serious) conditions,and have been misdiagnosed, by similar symptoms and misread MRIs. Stroke, nerve damage, spondylopathy, migraine can all mimic MS, and even the MRI will look similar.
And other patients have gone into remission for years.
From another study:
"The truth is that 15 years after the onset of MS, only about 20% of patients are bedridden or institutionalized. Another 20% may require a wheelchair, or use crutches, or a cane to ambulate, but fully 60% will be ambulatory without assistance and some will have little deficit at all."
"Perhaps as many as 1/3 of all patients with MS go through life without any persistent disability, and suffer only intermittent, transient episodes of symptoms."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069023/
So please, tell us how you or the church knows, that the most likely explanation for the 'healing' of Marion Carroll was a miracle, and not a natural and mundane explanation.
If your god can heal: cancer, MS, and other diseases that can go into remission on their own or be misdiagnosed, why can't he heal: spinal cord injuries, loss of limbs, end stage kidney failure, end stage liver failure?
Seriously, doesn't that sound like a mischievous and malicious god? " I can heal any condition I want, but I will only heal conditions that sometime heal on their own, or can be misdiagnosed. That will weed out all those arrogant critical thinkers, and I'll get to spend eternity with the gullible and credulous. Yeah, that's my plan".
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
