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Evidence for Believing
RE: Evidence for Believing
(October 8, 2019 at 2:50 am)Fierce Wrote:
(October 8, 2019 at 1:11 am)Belaqua Wrote: Right. But that doesn't mean you expect God or Santa Claus to hand it over.

Not long ago, the Pope said, "You pray for the hungry. Then you feed them. That's how prayer works." 

Kierkegaard, though not Catholic, would agree with this, as would many modern Christians. It doesn't involve supernatural presents.

If prayer's that useless, you don't adhere to it. You cut out the useless middle ritual and do the proper work that gets results.

Where I live it's common to visit a shrine before you take the college entrance examination. Everybody knows which shrines specialize in that kind of thing. You throw a little money in the collection box, write your prayer on a piece of wood, and hang it on the plaque that's provided.

If you ask the kids and the parents who are doing this "do you believe that a divine spirit will help you," they usually say they don't know, they never thought about it. It has value as a ritual. It's more like a "speech act" than a statement of fact -- the fact that you do it is what's important, not that anybody's listening to you. These are well-educated people, by definition, yet it has value for them. None of them would do the prayer instead of studying. 

Popes tend to be big on tradition, so I'm sure the quote from him isn't something he dreamed up on his own. And of course Kierkegaard lived a while ago, and he thought the same thing. The theology I'm most familiar with is that of William Blake, and I know for sure that he would also agree about prayer. He mocked Christians who ask for presents from "Nobodaddy." Blake isn't in the mainstream, but he's part of a strong minority tradition that has deep roots. All the English antinomians are on his side -- Diggers, Ranters, Muggletonians, etc. And the family tree goes back to Eriugena, Cusanus, Jacob Boehme, etc. (They would say the family tree goes back to Jesus, of course.) Currently Pope Francis would disagree with Boehme on about everything else, so the fact that they agree on this subject shows it's not so strange. 

If you say that prayer is meant to be a request for wish-granting Nobodaddy to give you presents, then all of these Christians agree with you that it won't work. That you have to pass the college entrance examination using your own brain.

(October 8, 2019 at 3:09 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(October 7, 2019 at 6:49 pm)Belaqua Wrote: This makes me wonder about the idea that a God would only be good or relevant to the extent that it satisfied our individual desires. Give me what I want or I won't believe any more. 
Who said that? Right, you strawmanned that. Its the christians (largely) by the way who protray their god to be 100% benevolent and not 0.0000345%.

Lets assume god exists, for the sake of the argument. If the success rate for prayers is 0.0000345% like explained above, id certainly not waste my time worshipping/praying to this motherfucker, his existence notwithstanding. Your mileage may vary.

You seem to be saying that a 100% benevolent God would give everyone what they asked for. I don't see why that's the case.
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Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 6:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Prycejosh1987 - November 13, 2019 at 4:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Pat Mustard - November 14, 2019 at 2:56 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - November 14, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by chimp3 - September 18, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 6:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 18, 2019 at 6:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 6:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by chimp3 - September 18, 2019 at 7:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 18, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 18, 2019 at 7:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by chimp3 - September 18, 2019 at 7:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 18, 2019 at 7:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Aegon - September 18, 2019 at 7:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 18, 2019 at 8:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 18, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 18, 2019 at 7:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 18, 2019 at 7:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 18, 2019 at 8:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 8:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 18, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2019 at 8:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 18, 2019 at 8:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 18, 2019 at 10:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 19, 2019 at 2:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 19, 2019 at 8:24 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 19, 2019 at 9:24 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 19, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 12:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LastPoet - September 19, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 19, 2019 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 19, 2019 at 9:42 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 19, 2019 at 6:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 10:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 19, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 19, 2019 at 7:04 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 19, 2019 at 8:21 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 8:27 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Silver - September 19, 2019 at 8:31 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 19, 2019 at 9:46 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 19, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 19, 2019 at 1:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 2:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 19, 2019 at 9:52 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 10:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 12:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 19, 2019 at 1:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 1:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Pat Mustard - September 19, 2019 at 2:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Objectivist - September 19, 2019 at 2:25 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 2:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 3:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 19, 2019 at 3:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 19, 2019 at 3:25 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 20, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Objectivist - September 19, 2019 at 3:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 19, 2019 at 4:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 19, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Silver - September 19, 2019 at 8:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by no one - September 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 6:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 19, 2019 at 7:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 19, 2019 at 7:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 19, 2019 at 8:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Silver - September 19, 2019 at 8:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 20, 2019 at 12:10 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 21, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 21, 2019 at 9:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 21, 2019 at 9:53 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Rahn127 - September 19, 2019 at 8:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2019 at 8:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 20, 2019 at 12:44 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Mister Agenda - September 20, 2019 at 9:49 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 20, 2019 at 11:00 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 21, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 21, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 21, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 21, 2019 at 3:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 21, 2019 at 3:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 12:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 22, 2019 at 1:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 22, 2019 at 1:15 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Silver - September 22, 2019 at 8:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 21, 2019 at 5:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 21, 2019 at 5:35 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 21, 2019 at 10:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - September 21, 2019 at 11:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 21, 2019 at 11:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 22, 2019 at 12:46 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 22, 2019 at 1:06 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 22, 2019 at 1:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LastPoet - September 22, 2019 at 4:54 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 22, 2019 at 5:13 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - September 22, 2019 at 5:40 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 22, 2019 at 7:32 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by zebo-the-fat - September 22, 2019 at 4:03 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 22, 2019 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 22, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 5:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 22, 2019 at 9:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by TaraJo - September 22, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 8:48 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by TaraJo - September 22, 2019 at 9:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 9:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by TaraJo - September 22, 2019 at 9:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 9:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 22, 2019 at 10:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - September 22, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 7:43 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 12:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 3:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Abaddon_ire - September 23, 2019 at 5:15 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 24, 2019 at 3:56 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 4:03 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 24, 2019 at 12:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 24, 2019 at 4:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 22, 2019 at 10:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 10:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Valkyrie - September 22, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - September 22, 2019 at 10:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Rahn127 - September 23, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 7:18 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 7:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 7:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2019 at 8:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 8:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 23, 2019 at 8:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 23, 2019 at 8:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 23, 2019 at 8:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - September 24, 2019 at 4:59 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 23, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 24, 2019 at 10:07 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 24, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 5:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 5:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Abaddon_ire - September 24, 2019 at 6:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 24, 2019 at 8:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 11:36 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 24, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by LadyForCamus - September 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 2:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 24, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - September 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 23, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 23, 2019 at 8:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Silver - September 23, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - September 23, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by mordant - September 23, 2019 at 9:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 23, 2019 at 9:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by EgoDeath - September 24, 2019 at 12:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 7:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 7:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 7:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 8:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 8:17 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2019 at 9:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - September 24, 2019 at 9:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2019 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Silver - September 24, 2019 at 8:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 25, 2019 at 11:03 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - September 30, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 30, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 1, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 1, 2019 at 5:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 2, 2019 at 12:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 2, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 2, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Nay_Sayer - October 2, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2019 at 2:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 2, 2019 at 5:15 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 3, 2019 at 4:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 2:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Silver - October 2, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 1, 2019 at 6:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Gwaithmir - October 2, 2019 at 9:39 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 2, 2019 at 10:58 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Ricardo - September 30, 2019 at 9:48 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 30, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Rahn127 - September 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - September 30, 2019 at 3:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - September 30, 2019 at 7:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - September 30, 2019 at 9:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 1, 2019 at 2:12 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Succubus - October 1, 2019 at 9:51 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 7:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 1, 2019 at 8:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 1, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 1, 2019 at 8:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 1, 2019 at 9:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 5:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 5:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 3, 2019 at 3:07 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2019 at 11:26 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 4:11 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2019 at 6:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 6:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 7:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 8:31 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 9:17 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 3, 2019 at 11:25 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Succubus - October 2, 2019 at 6:07 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2019 at 3:22 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 1:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Ricardo - October 2, 2019 at 3:34 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 3:46 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 6:29 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 7:35 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 8:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 8:52 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 9:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 2, 2019 at 10:45 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 9:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 9:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2019 at 9:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 2, 2019 at 11:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 3, 2019 at 12:30 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 3, 2019 at 6:43 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 3, 2019 at 10:59 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Fake Messiah - October 4, 2019 at 7:59 am
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 4, 2019 at 10:13 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 4, 2019 at 2:25 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Inqwizitor - October 10, 2019 at 8:57 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 4, 2019 at 11:37 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 4, 2019 at 2:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Mister Agenda - October 3, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 3, 2019 at 9:05 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 3, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Lek - October 3, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Anomalocaris - October 3, 2019 at 6:29 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by possibletarian - October 7, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Belacqua - October 8, 2019 at 1:11 am
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Deesse23 - October 8, 2019 at 3:09 am
RE: Evidence for Believing - by Cod - October 7, 2019 at 6:45 am
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2019 at 11:24 am
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Simon Moon - October 12, 2019 at 1:48 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - October 13, 2019 at 5:32 am
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 11, 2019 at 4:22 am
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - October 27, 2019 at 6:00 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 5:44 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 2:40 pm
RE: Evidence for Believing - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2019 at 2:52 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 5:39 pm

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