(October 18, 2011 at 9:30 pm)IATIA Wrote:(October 18, 2011 at 8:36 pm)Pendragon Wrote: Are you sure?
Yes.
(October 18, 2011 at 8:36 pm)Pendragon Wrote: Most of quantum mechanics relates the concept that observation changes things. If so, how does math exist in the "observed" world?,
Or is it in the observer? Both?
Read this carefully, even if it is again: http://quantumenigma.com/wp-content/uplo...riment.pdf
Yes I have studied that a multitude of times, but thanks for a PDF copy.
Of course observation changes things. One cannot study apes in the wild. The presence of the observer will always create a situation different than if they were not there.
Same thing in physics. Observation creates an interaction which changes all things. That is the major flaw with Laplace's Demon or a god even. There are many things beyond our understanding and comprehension, but in the end, it all still works. Were there a failure in the underlying math of the universe, things would go horribly wrong and we would not be here discussing it at all.
We are still discovering the underlying 'math' of the universe. Is what we have discovered so far precise? Of course not. Is it accurate? Maybe, but then there are contradictions that suggest otherwise. We have yet to develop a significant mathematics/physics history to look back and say, "How foolish they were". In the far future, when more is known, they may look at us the same way we look at the Babylonians.
Today we are away from religious dogma enough in the scientific circles that we can discover, experiment, question and establish theories with little intervention. Of course new theories that slap the face of 'conventional wisdom' still present issues.
No, not at all. We are trying to discover if "math is SUBJECTIVE or OBJECTIVE. Are numbers real, or not? sorry for yelling!
After the quantum scramble, those "4 eggs" look a little different, yes?
And it looks worse after humans look at it.
When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.
Mark Twain
Mark Twain