(October 18, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Pendragon Wrote: No, not at all. We are trying to discover if "math is SUBJECTIVE or OBJECTIVE. Are numbers real, or not? sorry for yelling!
After the quantum scramble, those "4 eggs" look a little different, yes?
And it looks worse after humans look at it.
A little clarification on my views. Reading back a few post, I believe I have taken my interpretations for granted.
I perceive 'math' at three levels;
- The absolute underlying math of the universe (objective)
- The math that we have discovered (objective mostly)
- The equations that we have built to accomodate our discovery (attempt at objectivity but somewhat subjective)
The double-slit experiment (which I assume you familiar with).
The necessary tools to observe why the electron 'coalesced' was what actually 'collapsed the wave function'. We cannot study it without looking at it, but looking at it changes it. This forces our observations to a subjective view (i.e. guessing).
Our problem at the quantum level is that we cannot see the 'eggs'. Any attempt to look, changes them. Right now, we do not even know if we have 'eggs'.
To develop a precise equation, all variables would have to be accounted for,including the variables of observation, then there is the variable of the observation of the observation and on ad infinitum. We can probably never create an equation that will be absolutely precise, but we can get close enough to pursue further knowledge of our universe.
The 'math' of the universe is objective, but our mathematics will always be somewhat subjective.
I do not know if I got it yet. Getting close?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
