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Evolution/creation video
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RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 6, 2019 at 4:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(December 6, 2019 at 4:43 pm)Drich Wrote: All relgions have a quid pro quoe. you do ABC the deity provides XYZ..

Find out the ABC do it and see what happens.

If the ABC has to happen through and indivisual/preist whatever then the test is tainted. if the result of your ABC has to be interpreted by a priest or what ever the test is tainted.

The God of the bible works with people directly.

But a lot of gods (notably the Greek franchise) work directly with people.  And - based on the stories - sometimes came through for them in a pretty stunning fashion.

Boru

Actually they worked in the mythos with people (in their holy books stories and writings) but reserved direct populace contact of everyday people through priest prophets and emissaries. (think leonitius/the three hundred where he had to seek the consouls of the fortune tellers/witches and through them did he find out that he would be able to keep the hords at bay lng enough to rally the rest of greece but it would cost him his life.

Here we have a king without direct access to his gods. why would these same gods give access to the common man?

The average smow did not have access to the gods unless through the temple or a representative of said God.

(December 6, 2019 at 6:07 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I've never gotten the conflict between the Bible and evolution. So God created a man out of dust and breathed life (or a soul?) into him. If you're not committed to it happened in an instant like magic, evolution gets you from dust (microbes) to people. The Catholics are (officially) fine with evolution being 'how God did it' starting the clock for being human at the point when God added souls. If Catholics can reconcile the Bible and evolution, evangelicals ought to be able to pull it off too.

Again 2 narratives when it comes to the origins of man.

1 chapter 1 God the father creates man after his own image outside the garden. This man does not have the be the idea of understand of the term we have now IE this may not be 'man' in his current day form. This very well could be evolved man. This is the genetic stock and biodiversity we find in our genepool. Evolved man is not been recorded in having been given a soul.

Chapter 2: Jesus creates ADAM a specific man. This one he made from a lump f clay and in him breathed a living soul.

Chapter 2 is a garden only narrative as it was created to be a completed version of the earth (what the earth looked like 6000 years ago) and Adam the individual was placed in this completed paradise and remained in there indefinitely while everything outside the garden grew/evolved.  

Why is Genesis/creation a battle ground?
Jesus Himself mentions a 7 day creation. and John the Apostle records that Jesus is the Word of God" YWHW" who was the creator and author of chapter 2.
So if there was no creation then John is wrong about Christ and Christ Himself is wrong about creation.. which leaves questions about his deity.

(December 6, 2019 at 6:13 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(December 6, 2019 at 6:07 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I've never gotten the conflict between the Bible and evolution. So God created a man out of dust and breathed life (or a soul?) into him. If you're not committed to it happened in an instant like magic, evolution gets you from dust (microbes) to people. The Catholics are (officially) fine with evolution being 'how God did it' starting the clock for being human at the point when God added souls. If Catholics can reconcile the Bible and evolution, evangelicals ought to be able to pull it off too.

Well, that's the issue, isn't it? An alarmingly large number of Christians are committed to interpreting the Bible in a totally literal way, thereby forcing them to assume that Adam truly was, literally, born of dust. The Bible doesn't say that he eventually came from dust and evolved into other things that evolved into other things that eventually became a man.... he was made from dust, in god's image. Plain and simple.
Again Gen 1 shows man outside of the Garden and he was not said to be made of dust. He is said to be made in the image of God... From that it is possible he evolved.

Chapter 2 was a garden only narrative and a specific person Adam was created from mud and fast tracked into a fully developed homosapien. As such his given a soul.

(December 7, 2019 at 2:25 am)AFTT47 Wrote:
(December 6, 2019 at 12:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You have very nice handwriting.

Boru

I feel you fall short in complimenting Drich.

He has a very soothing, narrating voice. Not quite Orson Wells but nice.

His choice of colors provides good contrast.

The cut of the construction paper suggests the use of rounded scissors, thus making a statement of non-violence.

He makes an honest attempt to answer critiques of Genesis - even if that attempt is at the level of a 5-year-old.

It's a good start.
thank you.

Actually i used post its. so no scissors.
I was going for 8 year olds as I am speaking directly to a large and varied group of people. When teach a large or unknown group you generally have to speak to the 'youngest' person in the room. 

The orginal video was an hour and 30ish mins long (which is why some of the post-its tabs seem worn..) As I have several takes and made several attempts to spin everything down to a simple 10 min video. The simpler things are the shorter the video as you do not have to explain as much.

Colors mean different things
Green blocks of time or days.
Red researched material from a lexicon 
orange core additions/my theory base
blue my theory explained.. 

I left the video short and simple so you can take the conversation anywhere you like. It is just a foundation we can use to start a discussion.

(December 7, 2019 at 7:32 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(December 7, 2019 at 2:25 am)AFTT47 Wrote: He makes an honest attempt to answer critiques of Genesis - even if that attempt is at the level of a 5-year-old.

It's a good start.

He's on a sinking ship; evangelical Christian fundamentalism is in decline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_...ion_growth

3 billion in the next 30 years.. It seems to me Christianity is growing in every aspect except Old school orthodoxy. China alone is expected to repersent 1/3 of world wide growth.

Seems to me someone thinks what goes on in the west represents what goes on in the world.
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Messages In This Thread
Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 11:40 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by tackattack - December 6, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 1:10 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 1:36 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by AFTT47 - December 7, 2019 at 2:25 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Jehanne - December 7, 2019 at 7:32 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Fake Messiah - December 6, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 3:49 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Fake Messiah - December 6, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 4:43 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 4:52 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 9, 2019 at 11:35 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 9, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 10, 2019 at 12:15 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 10, 2019 at 12:48 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 10, 2019 at 6:48 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Gwaithmir - December 10, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 10, 2019 at 9:31 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 11, 2019 at 3:50 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Ranjr - December 11, 2019 at 4:19 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 11, 2019 at 11:10 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Simon Moon - December 10, 2019 at 6:08 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Ranjr - December 11, 2019 at 3:34 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 20, 2019 at 11:37 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Deesse23 - December 12, 2019 at 3:19 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Mister Agenda - December 6, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 6, 2019 at 6:13 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Jehanne - December 6, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 6, 2019 at 9:35 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2019 at 10:27 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 10, 2019 at 10:51 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Athene - December 11, 2019 at 12:37 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Ranjr - December 11, 2019 at 2:10 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Pat Mustard - December 11, 2019 at 4:25 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2019 at 7:50 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 20, 2019 at 6:59 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 23, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 23, 2019 at 1:12 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 26, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2019 at 5:11 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 27, 2019 at 10:43 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 29, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 30, 2019 at 4:32 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 30, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 6, 2020 at 10:40 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 26, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by downbeatplumb - December 27, 2019 at 5:49 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 27, 2019 at 1:21 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 30, 2019 at 4:23 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 3, 2020 at 10:56 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Architect Of Fate - December 27, 2019 at 5:27 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Architect Of Fate - December 30, 2019 at 4:32 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Architect Of Fate - December 30, 2019 at 4:40 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2020 at 11:45 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2020 at 10:54 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 13, 2020 at 4:26 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Mister Agenda - January 14, 2020 at 9:56 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 15, 2020 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 15, 2020 at 4:04 pm

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