RE: Evolution/creation video
December 20, 2019 at 11:37 am
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2019 at 12:17 pm by Drich.)
(December 11, 2019 at 3:34 pm)Ranjr Wrote:(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: asked and answered in the video
I explain how scripturally the sun came first
scripturally and contextually how light without a direct reference of a sun came about and a 12 other popular contradictions.
All to avoid how Genesis is explicit in stating that Earth and water existed before light, or night and day.
I did not avoid anything, I just framed the perception and applied it to the right perspective.
Quote:Moving further down the text, it becomes clear that Earth existed before the sun. I'm sure that's quite the song and dance.Moving back up to literally the first verse The bible says the cosmos (heavens) where created first then the earth. (all explained in the video.)
Quote:Furthermore, the moon is referenced as a lesser light. It produces no light.The moon being a lessor light does not speak to the production of light. it simply states that the moon light is less than the sun.
Quote:There's no re-interpretation for getting around that basic conflict between cosmology and Genesis.there is no conflict between cosmology and genesis if you simply read what has been written without any influence of traditional interpretation.
Quote:Also, you didn't answer my question. Why the need to resolve matters of faith with science?because many children/students coming from a back ground of faith cant. and they are being taught either one is right or the others. What I have done here is to allow for faith in religion as well as science.
(December 11, 2019 at 4:19 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Genesis is very clear. Earth existed before the sun. It was a world of water, implying that water existed before fusion of hydrogen molecules. That does not jibe with science.As stated video. there is nothing that ties this sentence with day one of creation. book chapter and verse denotation where not apart of the orginal writting. they were added 1000's of years after the fact.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
these denotations creat an artifical correlation/time line that does not always exist.
(Again I go over this in the video)
This means "in the beginning God creats the heavens (again explain in the video) heaven=cosmos and earth. Cosmos includes solar system Again explained in the video how sun is seen day three.
After this God finds himse self over the waters..
Quote:There's nothing there about the sun being unobservable on day one. Light didn't exist until day two. And I'm not being honest? You're the one avoiding the obvious and my original question. Answer the question.again sport watch the video this whole thread is all about the content of the video which explains every question you have asked thus far.]
(December 11, 2019 at 4:25 pm)Nomad Wrote: You do realise that the word Elohim is the Hebrew (and Aramaic) for gods (as in plural), right?
and you realise you are wrong in the assumption that Elohiym has a singular definition.
Lexicon :: Strong's H430 - 'elohiym
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אֱלֹהִים
Transliteration
'elohiym
Pronunciation
el·ō·hēm' (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Plural of (H433)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 93c
KJV Translation Count — Total: 2,606x
The KJV translates Strong's H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- (plural)
- rulers, judges
- divine ones
- angels
- gods
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אֱלֹהִים ʼĕlôhîym, el-o-heem'; plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels, × exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), × (very) great, judges, × mighty.
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon [?]
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex...H430&t=KJV
(December 11, 2019 at 11:10 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:if you where the only person I speaking to, or if you where just one of 10.. Ive got 3 websites and over 40 people reviewing this same video. if you could I would appreciate you relist what you want answerd.(December 11, 2019 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote:
No, day two explicitly states why the sun was not observable on day one and chapter two states why the sun was not visible till day 4. in plain english. None of you guys bother to actually read the bible with honest eyes. you only read to support your slant.
I'm not sure why you have me quoted as saying this, because it wasn't me. Please edit your response if you're still able to.
Also, your video did not answer any of my questions, like you promised it would, and now you're asking me to relist my questions?
Are you really that lazy, dude?
(December 12, 2019 at 3:19 am)Deesse23 Wrote:yes it did.(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: For instance Nazi germany claimed to be christian even though the replaced Jesus with hitler....Yes it cost the blood of 6 millionNo it didnt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
Quote:Nazi Germany was pretty much divided on the issue of christianity.not after 1920.
(German: Positives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which mixed the belief that the racial purity of the German people should be maintained with Nazi ideology and elements of Christianity. Adolf Hitler used the term in article 24[a] of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, stating: "the Party represents the standpoint of Positive Christianity". Nondenominational, the term could be variously interpreted. Positive Christianity allayed fears among Germany's Christian majority as expressed through their hostility towards the established churches of large sections of the Nazi movement.[2] In 1937, Hans Kerrl, the Nazi Minister for Church Affairs, explained that "Positive Christianity" was not "dependent upon the Apostle's Creed", nor was it dependent on "faith in Christ as the son of God", upon which Christianity relied, rather, it was represented by the Nazi Party: "The Führer is the herald of a new revelation", he said.[3] To accord with Nazi antisemitism, positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible. Based on such elements, positive Christianity separated itself from Nicene Christianity and as a result, it is considered apostate by all historically Trinitarian Christian churches, regardless of whether they are Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or .
Quote:The whole SS under Himmler, and many more, viewed it as (jewish!)Bull Scheisse!
The historic example which Himmler used in practice as the model for the SS was the Society of Jesus, since Himmler found in the Jesuits what he perceived to be the core element of any order, the doctrine of obedience and the cult of the organisation.[80] The evidence for this largely rests on a statement from Walter Schellenberg in his memoirs (Cologne, 1956, p. 39), but Hitler is also said to have called Himmler "my Ignatius of Loyola".[81] As an order, the SS needed a coherent doctrine that would set it apart. Himmler attempted to construct such an ideology, and to this purpose he deduced a "pseudo-Germanic tradition"[82] from history. However, this attempt was not entirely successful. Höhne observes that "Himmler's neo-pagan customs remained primarily a paper exercise".[83]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_aspects_of_Nazism
Quote:superstition and wanted to get rid of it asap, while others were staunch christians.No dummy he removed all semitic aspects of christianity. nothing in 'positive christianity' had anything to do with the jews. Hitler simply awarded himself as the head of the church. This is the EXACT title given to Christ in the bible. (christ is the head and the church is the body) Under hitler, hitler said he was the church userping Christ himself.
Also noone claimed that Hitler was the reincarnatoin of a jewish deity. At least not that i know of.
(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: .... either way, God did use those people to ultimately answer a 2000 year old prayer of the jews to be able to return home.
Quote:Post hoc rationalisation. I am surprised you didnt know (or acknowledge this) after having failed so often.hey stupid.. If you are going to correct someone and have a attitude doing it then you damn well better have references as well as all of your facts straight.
Also, if i were god, my price would have been only 5mio corpses. Time to start worshipping me. Your ability ( and that of any other religious nutter) to portray the most horrible crimes and sufferings of man as the consequence of the decisions of a benevolant deity is........impressive (for lack of any other word).
Did you notice you did not use one reference in yor correction of me? and I used corrections from sources that refute each and every single point you make? Know it or not that completely guts your efforts and makes you look like an ignorant t-what, so when you come to your self righteous summary one can assume your 'thoughts' here are just as baseless and meaningless as everything else you had to say to this point. meaning they do not even need to be addressed.