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Real Men
RE: Real Men
@Shell B That's precisely the point. Intention does matter. Would you deny that the "Saving private Ryan" narrative isn't heroic? Even though it's a ridiculously unrealistic example, ostensibly they were doing that because they were ordered to, but none of them wanted to. There may have been movie trope heroic moments, the core reason they were there was not heroic. Was there a point, in that movie, for example where anyone appeared heroic to you? Why? Was it because of their actions or because it's a movie and we were hyper-focused on understanding the narrative on why they are doing what they're doing? The same applies to the firefighter scenario. It's not the fact they charge into burning buildings to save people by itself. It because they knew the probability was low and did it anyway.

All of this is part of the core of why I consider a "real man" someone that sacrifices and makes the right decision, even when it's hard.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 9:53 am
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 21, 2020 at 9:58 am
RE: Real Men - by zebo-the-fat - January 21, 2020 at 10:37 am
RE: Real Men - by Anomalocaris - January 24, 2020 at 7:18 pm
RE: Real Men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 21, 2020 at 10:00 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 10:42 am
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 21, 2020 at 10:39 am
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 21, 2020 at 10:46 am
RE: Real Men - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2020 at 10:51 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 10:54 am
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 21, 2020 at 11:09 am
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 21, 2020 at 10:51 am
RE: Real Men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 21, 2020 at 11:01 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 11:12 am
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 21, 2020 at 11:10 am
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 21, 2020 at 11:13 am
RE: Real Men - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2020 at 11:13 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 11:17 am
RE: Real Men - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2020 at 11:19 am
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 21, 2020 at 11:45 am
RE: Real Men - by Brian37 - January 21, 2020 at 11:17 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 11:20 am
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 21, 2020 at 11:18 am
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 21, 2020 at 11:20 am
RE: Real Men - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2020 at 11:22 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 11:37 am
RE: Real Men - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2020 at 7:07 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 8:57 pm
RE: Real Men - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2020 at 9:04 pm
RE: Real Men - by Duty - January 21, 2020 at 11:27 am
RE: Real Men - by Ranjr - January 21, 2020 at 11:31 am
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 21, 2020 at 11:34 am
RE: Real Men - by Duty - January 21, 2020 at 11:42 am
RE: Real Men - by The Valkyrie - January 21, 2020 at 12:02 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 21, 2020 at 1:28 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 3:29 pm
RE: Real Men - by Ranjr - January 21, 2020 at 2:34 pm
RE: Real Men - by Nay_Sayer - January 21, 2020 at 3:29 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 21, 2020 at 3:32 pm
RE: Real Men - by Ranjr - January 21, 2020 at 3:45 pm
RE: Real Men - by Mr.wizard - January 21, 2020 at 4:19 pm
RE: Real Men - by Duty - January 21, 2020 at 4:22 pm
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 21, 2020 at 5:49 pm
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 21, 2020 at 6:11 pm
RE: Real Men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 21, 2020 at 6:13 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 21, 2020 at 6:15 pm
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 21, 2020 at 6:20 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 21, 2020 at 6:21 pm
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 21, 2020 at 6:45 pm
RE: Real Men - by no one - January 21, 2020 at 7:54 pm
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 21, 2020 at 7:58 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Architect Of Fate - January 21, 2020 at 10:17 pm
RE: Real Men - by ignoramus - January 22, 2020 at 1:46 am
RE: Real Men - by LastPoet - January 22, 2020 at 9:08 am
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 22, 2020 at 9:09 am
RE: Real Men - by Divinity - January 23, 2020 at 3:17 pm
RE: Real Men - by Brian37 - January 23, 2020 at 8:39 pm
RE: Real Men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 24, 2020 at 9:16 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 24, 2020 at 9:34 am
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 23, 2020 at 8:43 pm
RE: Real Men - by Losty - January 23, 2020 at 9:50 pm
RE: Real Men - by Haipule - January 23, 2020 at 11:17 pm
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 24, 2020 at 3:53 am
RE: Real Men - by Mr.wizard - January 24, 2020 at 7:32 am
RE: Real Men - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 9:10 am
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 24, 2020 at 7:05 pm
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 24, 2020 at 9:38 am
RE: Real Men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 24, 2020 at 7:09 pm
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 24, 2020 at 8:55 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Architect Of Fate - January 24, 2020 at 7:21 pm
RE: Real Men - by Anomalocaris - January 24, 2020 at 7:23 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Architect Of Fate - January 24, 2020 at 7:26 pm
RE: Real Men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 24, 2020 at 7:30 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 24, 2020 at 7:35 pm
RE: Real Men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 24, 2020 at 7:36 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 24, 2020 at 7:43 pm
RE: Real Men - by Mr Greene - January 24, 2020 at 8:20 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Architect Of Fate - January 24, 2020 at 7:44 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 24, 2020 at 7:47 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Architect Of Fate - January 24, 2020 at 7:52 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 24, 2020 at 7:57 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Architect Of Fate - January 24, 2020 at 8:04 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2020 at 5:52 am
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 27, 2020 at 12:25 pm
RE: Real Men - by Mr Greene - January 27, 2020 at 12:42 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 12:44 pm
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 12:32 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 12:43 pm
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 1:06 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 12:40 pm
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 27, 2020 at 12:53 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 1:24 pm
RE: Real Men - by Mr Greene - January 27, 2020 at 2:41 pm
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 27, 2020 at 1:19 pm
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 1:23 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 1:25 pm
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 1:30 pm
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 27, 2020 at 2:09 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 2:43 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 2:12 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 2:44 pm
RE: Real Men - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 3:19 pm
RE: Real Men - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 27, 2020 at 4:41 pm
RE: Real Men - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 2:49 pm
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 27, 2020 at 2:57 pm
RE: Real Men - by Shell B - January 27, 2020 at 4:40 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 27, 2020 at 4:43 pm
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 28, 2020 at 1:06 pm
RE: Real Men - by onlinebiker - January 28, 2020 at 1:47 pm
RE: Real Men - by Mr.wizard - January 28, 2020 at 1:41 pm
RE: Real Men - by Mr.wizard - January 28, 2020 at 2:01 pm
RE: Real Men - by tackattack - January 28, 2020 at 5:28 pm

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