RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
February 8, 2020 at 6:58 am
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2020 at 7:02 am by ColdComfort.)
(February 8, 2020 at 6:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(February 7, 2020 at 11:13 pm)ColdComfort Wrote: Yes it would. And where I live it's a criminal offence to threaten anyone in that manner. Why do you ask...? If you think that parents should be forbidden to teach Christianity to their children then it's really the start of a civil war. My kids are adults now but I have grandchildren. I'd fight you over this issue although at my age I'd need a desk job. It's something right out of Mao's China or Stalin's Russia.
Is that what you meant? Hard to tell because you didn't explicitly finish your thought. You'd like to oppress Christians with the power of the state? Take their children away from them?
Then what - if any - is the moral difference between me telling I'm going to burn my child and me telling them that God is going to do the same thing? If the first is abusive and criminal, why isn't the second?
My point is that religion is by its very nature abusive and immoral. I'd prefer that the Church reform to the point where it doesn't abuse children. But yes - I think the state has the right to remove a child from an abusive environment, whether that environment is secular or religious.
It's been a number of years since I've engaged in fisticuffs over religious matters, and I don't plan to take it up again (but I do think you should be more careful about extending offers to fight strangers).
Boru
Thanks at least for the honesty. And I wasn't talking about fisticuffs with strangers. I was talking about civil violence.
(February 8, 2020 at 6:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(February 7, 2020 at 8:03 pm)ColdComfort Wrote:
Never heard of that and I've read a lot about the subject. Any reference?
Yes. Three little girls claimed that Mary spoke to them and people believed it. Thousands of people claimed that the sun danced in the sky.
If that's not a case of religious hysteria, it'll do til one comes along.
Boru
Not many believed that Mary spoke to those children: one boy, two girls btw. And the tens of thousands that saw the sun move were hardly in the glimpse of religious hysteria. So many were not religious at all.
