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Hell is justified.
RE: Hell is justified.
(February 19, 2020 at 4:52 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(February 19, 2020 at 11:16 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: So you're saying it's God's nature to torture, like it's a scorpion's nature to sting? Like a venomous wasp, God has no moral agency, you disturb God and God tortures you because that is just what God does.

One of the many problems with your comparison is that if we can't say God is evil when God tortures for the same reason that we can't say a bear is evil when it mauls someone; we also can't say God is good when God elevates a soul to heaven, just like we can't say a lion is good if it chases off a hyena that was about to attack us. Only a being with moral agency can be bad or good, when we call a dog a 'good boy', we aren't saying the dog knows the difference between good and evil and chooses good; we're saying the dog is obedient and affectionate and we like that.

The exception is that God is a rational entity. He acts with constraints that he himself obligated himself to act upon; the Quran -which I believe in- listed many of these constraints.

Animals are not rational. The "mercy" for example is a constraint that God obligated himself to; thus you can see people "live, love, smile, laugh...", but "justice" is also another obligation God has; thus hell and suffering exist.

We're also rational being with constraints, but most of us don't derive pleasure from torture and killing. In fact we don't generally kill at all, if we can help it. Except for that low percent of the population that are psychopaths. Now if your god is so powerful, and so knowledgeable, he should be able to figure out solutions that don't involve killing people, but he chooses to do it. He declared that everyone deserves death since the day they're born. So he's a psychopath who doesn't understand mercy, or justice. When you're only merciful to those who worship you, that's not real mercy. Even Hitler could show that kind of mercy.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 14, 2020 at 10:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by brewer - February 14, 2020 at 10:59 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - February 15, 2020 at 2:32 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 15, 2020 at 4:22 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 15, 2020 at 6:21 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 15, 2020 at 6:28 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 11:45 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 18, 2020 at 12:52 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 1:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 18, 2020 at 1:49 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 11:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 15, 2020 at 3:21 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by downbeatplumb - February 15, 2020 at 5:05 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by zebo-the-fat - February 15, 2020 at 7:06 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 7:33 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Fake Messiah - February 15, 2020 at 7:55 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 15, 2020 at 8:10 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 8:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Fake Messiah - February 15, 2020 at 8:49 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 8:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Belacqua - February 15, 2020 at 9:04 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 4:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Silver - February 15, 2020 at 9:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 15, 2020 at 9:29 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by purplepurpose - February 15, 2020 at 10:33 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 11:11 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by JackRussell - February 15, 2020 at 1:50 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 16, 2020 at 6:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2020 at 6:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 15, 2020 at 1:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 2:21 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Nay_Sayer - February 15, 2020 at 9:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Pat Mustard - February 16, 2020 at 4:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 16, 2020 at 6:56 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2020 at 7:35 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 16, 2020 at 8:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 16, 2020 at 9:15 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by arewethereyet - February 16, 2020 at 9:49 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 16, 2020 at 9:55 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Simon Moon - February 16, 2020 at 2:19 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 16, 2020 at 4:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 16, 2020 at 3:29 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2020 at 3:38 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 16, 2020 at 5:04 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2020 at 5:24 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Valkyrie - February 16, 2020 at 5:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 17, 2020 at 2:28 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 17, 2020 at 2:44 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 3:21 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 18, 2020 at 2:57 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 17, 2020 at 3:34 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Rhizomorph13 - February 17, 2020 at 4:30 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 17, 2020 at 5:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 5:55 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 17, 2020 at 6:55 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 19, 2020 at 12:51 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 19, 2020 at 1:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 1:16 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 8:05 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 8:18 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 8:30 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by no one - February 17, 2020 at 8:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 8:35 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - February 18, 2020 at 3:25 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 8:44 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 18, 2020 at 12:52 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 11:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 11:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 11:50 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 11:53 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 12:04 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Nay_Sayer - February 18, 2020 at 12:13 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 12:25 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 1:05 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 1:09 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 1:13 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 1:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 2:08 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Nay_Sayer - February 18, 2020 at 4:04 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 18, 2020 at 2:45 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 4:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 4:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 4:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 5:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 6:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 18, 2020 at 6:48 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 8:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 18, 2020 at 9:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 11:08 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 7:48 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 19, 2020 at 4:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 20, 2020 at 9:23 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 19, 2020 at 9:56 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 19, 2020 at 11:16 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 19, 2020 at 4:52 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 19, 2020 at 5:08 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 20, 2020 at 5:38 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 20, 2020 at 7:01 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 20, 2020 at 7:33 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 20, 2020 at 9:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 11:00 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 21, 2020 at 11:36 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 12:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 21, 2020 at 1:53 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 2:46 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 21, 2020 at 2:55 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 3:17 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 1:43 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 20, 2020 at 10:53 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 8:14 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 1:07 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 19, 2020 at 2:07 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 2:39 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by arewethereyet - February 19, 2020 at 3:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 1:17 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 1:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 1:35 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 2:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 4:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 4:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 19, 2020 at 5:28 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 6:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 19, 2020 at 5:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 7:30 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by tackattack - February 20, 2020 at 11:44 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 12:06 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 20, 2020 at 1:24 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 2:34 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 22, 2020 at 1:02 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 1:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 20, 2020 at 12:26 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 20, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 20, 2020 at 11:55 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 11:25 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 1:02 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 2:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 2:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 3:03 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 21, 2020 at 1:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 1:50 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 21, 2020 at 2:43 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 2:45 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 3:18 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 2:49 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by tackattack - February 21, 2020 at 3:19 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 6:57 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 22, 2020 at 4:58 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 8:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 8:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 9:35 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 23, 2020 at 8:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 8:29 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 7:41 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2020 at 7:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2020 at 8:36 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 8:49 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 9:00 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 9:28 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 9:37 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 9:48 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2020 at 8:50 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 9:50 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by tackattack - February 24, 2020 at 11:35 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 24, 2020 at 1:17 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 24, 2020 at 1:28 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 24, 2020 at 11:38 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Silver - February 24, 2020 at 11:42 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 24, 2020 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 9:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 10:10 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 12:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 2:00 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 2:16 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 5:01 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 5:07 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 6:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 9:39 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 26, 2020 at 7:07 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 26, 2020 at 7:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 26, 2020 at 9:17 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 26, 2020 at 9:24 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 26, 2020 at 12:32 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 26, 2020 at 12:50 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 27, 2020 at 1:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 27, 2020 at 2:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 28, 2020 at 9:59 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 26, 2020 at 2:10 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 27, 2020 at 9:38 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 27, 2020 at 11:57 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 2:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 25, 2020 at 1:34 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2020 at 10:11 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 25, 2020 at 10:40 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 12:10 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 25, 2020 at 1:36 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 1:43 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 26, 2020 at 10:20 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 26, 2020 at 10:41 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 25, 2020 at 2:20 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 5:14 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 8:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 26, 2020 at 2:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2020 at 5:19 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 25, 2020 at 9:44 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 26, 2020 at 8:02 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 26, 2020 at 9:25 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 26, 2020 at 10:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 27, 2020 at 9:45 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 27, 2020 at 4:49 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 27, 2020 at 4:57 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 29, 2020 at 6:16 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 29, 2020 at 6:21 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 29, 2020 at 9:34 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 29, 2020 at 12:48 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 29, 2020 at 2:29 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 29, 2020 at 2:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 29, 2020 at 2:59 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by SuicideCommando01 - April 26, 2020 at 3:14 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 26, 2020 at 4:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by SuicideCommando01 - April 26, 2020 at 5:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - April 26, 2020 at 4:57 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 26, 2020 at 5:02 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Fake Messiah - April 26, 2020 at 5:10 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 26, 2020 at 8:25 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by SuicideCommando01 - April 26, 2020 at 9:41 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 30, 2020 at 1:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - April 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - April 30, 2020 at 2:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 30, 2020 at 3:49 pm

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