RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 20, 2020 at 7:37 pm
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2020 at 7:43 pm by Simon Moon.)
(March 19, 2020 at 11:11 am)Drich Wrote:(March 17, 2020 at 4:22 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, correct me if I am wrong...it would be less work to tell you where you are right. but ok.
Quote:But what Dritch is suggesting we do, according to A/S/K, is to believeno.
you dont have to believe to ask God/if there is a God send me the holy Spirit.
Don't have to believe to research to see what to expect.
Don't have to believe to repeat this process.
But I have done the A/S/K process (although I didn't know it as that name) for decades when I was a believer. I did not get any results that I could identify as a god.
And I continued while in the process of giving up my beliefs. I was trying to rehabilitate my beliefs with sincerity. A/S/K did't work then. And it seems like any god that wanted me, would have seen the struggle I was going through.
But of course, you are so sure you can not be wrong, that you are unable to even consider the possibility that someone could do everything right (according to you), and your god still did not communicate with them.
Quote:Yahweh/Jesus exists, so we can appeal to him (on his terms) in order to have him demonstrate himself to us.
Quote:to send the Holy Spirit.
And again, how am I able to discern the difference between a delusion and the 'Holy Spirit'? After all, there are surely some percentage of people, who truly believe they received the 'Holy Spirit', but are mistaking or delusional. And then, there are all those other people of other god beliefs who claim, just as fervently as you, that their god communicated with them.
Quote:When we point out how flawed that thinking is, and that we're unable to believe without rational and evidence based warrant to do so, he seems to agree we will not receive the type of evidence we are looking for.
Quote:are you even listening?
YOU ARE A.S.K. FOR DIRECT ONE ON ONE CONTACT WITH GOD!!! What other fool evidence does your little monkey mind thinks it needs?
Want proof of God? A.S.K. GOD SHOWS UP
That is what I have been saying for the last 10 years!
Sorry, but I have read way too many studies on who easy it is to fool the human mind.
Quote:When we point out the stalemate his god has put us in, i.e.; his god created us with minds that are unable to believe existential claims unless we are warranted by evidence, and valid and sound logical reasons to do so, he blames us for not being credulous.
Quote:then i point out my A.S.K journey involved beating up christians and daring them to invoke God to stop me. just to see if he would./ if there was a God.
The difference between us is i had an open mind about it. you have your mind made up which is why it is not possible for you to do anything.
Once again, I have not made up my mind (although I do think it very unlikely, in the extreme, that a god exists). I am willing to accept any existential claim that is supported by demonstrable evidence. It is not my fault, that your god, who should be able to tell how sincere I am about wanting to believe as many true things (including his existence), and disbelieve as many false things as possible, and should know how to convince me, and failed to do so while I was a believer, and as a nonbeliever.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.