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War
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RE: War
(October 19, 2011 at 2:23 am)orogenicman Wrote:
(October 18, 2011 at 9:39 pm)IATIA Wrote: War is inevitable whether or not it is supported. Cultures that do not support war will eventually be dissolved.

As bad as things seem to be sometimes, they could be much worse and I will defend my way of life.

Army Airborne 82nd Division. 1971-1974

And yet Switzerland has managed to survive all these years.

In 1291, the cantons of Uri, Schwyz, and Unterwalden united to defend the peace upon the death of Emperor Rudolf I of Habsburg. Their union, one nucleus of the Old Swiss Confederacy, is recorded in the Federal Charter, a document probably written after the fact in the early 14th century. At the battles of Morgarten in 1315 and Sempach 1386, the Swiss defeated the Habsburgs, gaining increased autonomy within the Holy Roman Empire.

By 1353, the three original cantons had been joined by the cantons of Glarus and Zug and the city states of Lucerne, Zürich, and Bern, forming the "Old Federation" of eight states that persisted during much of the 15th century. Zürich was expelled from the Confederation from 1440 to 1450 due to a conflict over the territory of Toggenburg (the Old Zürich War). The Confederation's power and wealth increased significantly, with victories over Charles the Bold of Burgundy during the 1470s and the success of Swiss mercenaries.

The traditional listing order of the cantons of Switzerland reflects this state, listing the eight "Old Cantons" first, with the city states preceding the founding cantons, followed by cantons that joined the Confederation after 1481, in historical order.

The Swiss defeated the Swabian League in 1499 and gaining greater collective autonomy within the Holy Roman Empire, including exemption from the Imperial reforms of 1495 and immunity from most Imperial courts. In 1506. Pope Julius II engaged the Swiss Guard, which continues to serve the papacy to the present day. The expansion of the Confederation and the reputation of invincibility acquired during the earlier wars suffered a first setback in 1515 with the Swiss defeat in the Battle of Marignano.


Wikpedia: History Of Switzerland

During the Thirty Years' War, Switzerland was a relative "oasis of peace and prosperity" (Grimmelshausen) in war-torn Europe, mostly because all major powers in Europe depended on Swiss mercenaries, and would not let Switzerland fall in the hands of one of their rivals. Politically, they all tried to take influence, by way of mercenary commanders such as Jörg Jenatsch or Johann Rudolf Wettstein. The Drei Bünde of Grisons, at that point not yet a member of the Confederacy, were involved in the war from 1620, which led to their loss of the Valtellina in 1623.

— ibid.

During the French Revolutionary Wars, French armies enveloped Switzerland during their battles against Austria. In 1798 Switzerland was completely overrun by the French who turned it into the united Helvetic Republic, effectively abolishing the cantons. Having been imposed by a foreign power, and relying on French troops to survive, the Helvetic Republic was highly unpopular and encountered severe economic and political problems and uprisings. Its new constitution following not Swiss sentiment but the political philosophy of the French Revolution. Swiss resistance constitution reflects a wider European discontent with the French Revolution and conflicting Swiss notions of liberty and freedom.

— ibid.

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War - by reverendjeremiah - October 18, 2011 at 9:16 pm
RE: War - by Jackalope - October 18, 2011 at 9:37 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: War - by Jackalope - October 18, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: War - by IATIA - October 18, 2011 at 9:39 pm
RE: War - by orogenicman - October 19, 2011 at 2:23 am
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 19, 2011 at 2:41 am
RE: War - by IATIA - October 19, 2011 at 8:21 am
RE: War - by Angrboda - October 23, 2011 at 6:59 pm
RE: War - by Dotard - October 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm
RE: War - by 5thHorseman - October 19, 2011 at 1:09 am
RE: War - by Jackalope - October 19, 2011 at 2:40 am
RE: War - by Minimalist - October 19, 2011 at 1:45 am
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 19, 2011 at 2:10 am
RE: War - by 5thHorseman - October 19, 2011 at 2:35 am
RE: War - by orogenicman - October 19, 2011 at 4:25 am
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 19, 2011 at 7:11 am
RE: War - by orogenicman - October 19, 2011 at 7:27 am
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 19, 2011 at 8:00 am
RE: War - by Shell B - October 20, 2011 at 12:59 am
RE: War - by Erinome - October 19, 2011 at 4:29 am
RE: War - by 5thHorseman - October 19, 2011 at 4:30 am
RE: War - by frankiej - October 19, 2011 at 7:28 am
RE: War - by LastPoet - October 19, 2011 at 8:09 am
RE: War - by Violet - October 19, 2011 at 10:32 am
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 19, 2011 at 10:40 am
RE: War - by paintpooper - October 19, 2011 at 12:36 pm
RE: War - by IATIA - October 20, 2011 at 12:29 am
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 20, 2011 at 8:30 am
RE: War - by paintpooper - October 20, 2011 at 11:56 am
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 20, 2011 at 12:12 pm
RE: War - by bozo - October 19, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 20, 2011 at 5:28 am
RE: War - by frankiej - October 20, 2011 at 5:33 am
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 20, 2011 at 5:35 am
RE: War - by frankiej - October 20, 2011 at 5:40 am
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 20, 2011 at 5:46 am
RE: War - by Violet - October 21, 2011 at 10:12 am
RE: War - by frankiej - October 20, 2011 at 5:49 am
RE: War - by padraic - October 20, 2011 at 8:07 am
RE: War - by Zen Badger - October 21, 2011 at 10:28 am
RE: War - by paintpooper - October 21, 2011 at 12:05 pm
RE: War - by Jackalope - October 21, 2011 at 1:52 pm
RE: War - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm
RE: War - by IATIA - October 21, 2011 at 8:41 pm
RE: War - by Zen Badger - October 22, 2011 at 5:59 am
RE: War - by Angrboda - October 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 22, 2011 at 9:15 am
RE: War - by Dotard - October 22, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 22, 2011 at 4:46 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 22, 2011 at 9:36 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 9:44 am
RE: War - by Angrboda - October 23, 2011 at 2:30 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 22, 2011 at 9:25 am
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 22, 2011 at 9:30 am
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 22, 2011 at 3:48 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 23, 2011 at 4:24 pm
RE: War - by The Magic Pudding - October 22, 2011 at 10:40 am
RE: War - by Faith No More - October 22, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: War - by Autumnlicious - October 22, 2011 at 4:41 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 22, 2011 at 8:57 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 23, 2011 at 11:27 am
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 23, 2011 at 12:43 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 23, 2011 at 1:04 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 2:35 pm
RE: War - by Angrboda - October 23, 2011 at 7:46 pm
RE: War - by IATIA - October 23, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 5:31 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 23, 2011 at 10:29 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 10:35 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 23, 2011 at 11:06 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 11:34 pm
RE: War - by IATIA - October 23, 2011 at 5:38 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: War - by Violet - October 23, 2011 at 7:45 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 8:14 pm
RE: War - by Autumnlicious - October 23, 2011 at 8:08 pm
RE: War - by Violet - October 23, 2011 at 9:18 pm
RE: War - by Autumnlicious - October 23, 2011 at 8:21 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 8:22 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 23, 2011 at 8:45 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 8:53 pm
RE: War - by Autumnlicious - October 23, 2011 at 9:02 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 9:03 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 23, 2011 at 9:08 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 9:25 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 23, 2011 at 9:59 pm
RE: War - by Faith No More - October 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm
RE: War - by Autumnlicious - October 23, 2011 at 10:35 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 24, 2011 at 8:00 am
RE: War - by frankiej - October 24, 2011 at 8:09 am
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 24, 2011 at 10:40 am
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 24, 2011 at 11:25 am
RE: War - by paintpooper - October 24, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 24, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 24, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 24, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 24, 2011 at 7:29 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 25, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 25, 2011 at 2:26 pm
RE: War - by bozo - October 24, 2011 at 2:48 pm
RE: War - by Faith No More - October 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm
RE: War - by Dotard - October 24, 2011 at 7:53 pm
RE: War - by Napoléon - October 24, 2011 at 7:54 pm
RE: War - by Zen Badger - October 25, 2011 at 7:32 am
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 24, 2011 at 10:17 pm
RE: War - by ElDinero - October 25, 2011 at 7:05 am
RE: War - by frankiej - October 25, 2011 at 7:08 am
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 25, 2011 at 8:43 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 25, 2011 at 9:09 pm
RE: War - by Epimethean - October 25, 2011 at 9:20 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 25, 2011 at 9:44 pm
RE: War - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 9:30 pm
RE: War - by Dotard - October 25, 2011 at 9:35 pm
RE: War - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 9:37 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 25, 2011 at 9:53 pm
RE: War - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 9:48 pm
RE: War - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 25, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RE: War - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 9:57 pm
RE: War - by Violet - October 25, 2011 at 10:10 pm
RE: War - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 10:15 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - October 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm
RE: War - by IATIA - November 4, 2011 at 11:30 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - November 6, 2011 at 2:41 am
RE: War - by bozo - November 4, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: War - by orogenicman - November 4, 2011 at 8:47 pm
RE: War - by kılıç_mehmet - November 5, 2011 at 11:30 pm
RE: War - by Violet - November 9, 2011 at 11:16 am
RE: War - by paintpooper - November 9, 2011 at 1:53 pm
RE: War - by Violet - November 9, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RE: War - by paintpooper - November 9, 2011 at 6:59 pm
RE: War - by Violet - November 9, 2011 at 10:13 pm
RE: War - by paintpooper - November 14, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: War - by Violet - November 14, 2011 at 9:01 pm
RE: War - by reverendjeremiah - November 9, 2011 at 8:37 pm
RE: War - by 5thHorseman - November 9, 2011 at 7:06 pm
RE: War - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2011 at 11:26 pm
RE: War - by Milky Tea - November 14, 2011 at 3:20 pm
RE: War - by ElDinero - November 16, 2011 at 12:14 pm

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