RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 9:59 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2011 at 10:00 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
(October 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm)Epimethean Wrote: I know me my Sisyphus well, and I can see you doing your thing there. My stance here has been that war is necessary, that it is inevitable, and that it is productive because it is in keeping with a fundamental tenet of human nature. If, as was pointed out by another member, you are doing this strictly to play ping pong, very fine and I'll duck out there; but if you are serious in thinking that war is unnecessary, you have yet to make a compelling argument for that to be so. Set Switzerland aside, because it is a red herring here. Consider the super powers from Greece to the present: Could they have come into being without war? Could they have left behind them the legacies they did, for good as much (and often more so) as for ill had they not pressed against other nations and met with resistance, thereby leading to war? If you wish to make a case for war being unnecessary, make it with evidence that shows this from the top of the food chain down, not from some little niche which became neutral to spare its life. Deal with the Scyllae and Charybdises rather than the little birds flying between them.
Oh no. I would in no way want a conversation to ping pong back and forth like that. A good conversation is unidirectional and therefore productive in that direction only. Absolutely. War is necessary and absolutely inevitable and good for humanity, as it produces many wonderful things for humanity to consume. You are absolutely right. My choice in using Switzerland was a poor example, and I apologize for using it. I will set it aside for now on unless you wish to discuss it later. It was definitely a red herring.
I agree. Greece could have never come into being without war. Their legacy was great, and people still write of their greatness today. I also agree that they would have been nothing if they had not pressed forth and conquered as they did. How bold of them. They had the right stuff that men make nations to last with.
I apologize for my earlier stance. For now on, I will judge my evidence compared to the great nations of the past before I post it. I will strive to ever be more in line with my posts on this thread for now on.
(October 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm)Faith No More Wrote: To end war would require removing all that within us makes us human.
Exactly. War is what helps define us as human beings.
