(April 18, 2020 at 4:25 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(April 18, 2020 at 2:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Let’s try a hypothetical.
Joe is an engineer. He got very good marks at university, and was able to secure an entry-level job. After ten years or so, Joe has risen to become a project supervisor. He is widely respected by his colleagues for his intelligence, practicality and efficiency.
While not creating marvels of modern engineering, Joe enjoys literature and history, among other subjects. He is well enough read to be able to talk intelligently on a wide range of topics - art, music, The Seven Years’ War, South African politics and many others. He is, by any reasonable definition, a ‘thinking person’.
However, through some wildly improbable series of events, Joe is thoroughly ignorant of arguments pertaining to religion. He’s never studied or considered them, never argued on behalf of atheism, and never even looked up at the night sky and wondered, ‘What’s it all about?’
Joe has no belief in gods, nor does he believe that arguments for gods are fallacious. He hasn’t rejected these arguments because he hasn’t HEARD of these arguments.
It is therefore possible that atheism is just the lack of a specific belief, no?
Boru
I suppose that if such a person existed, we could say he is an atheist in the same trivial sense that a baby is an atheist.
However such a person does not and could not exist in human society. So if we want to limit ourselves to the real world, all thinking people have heard religious claims.
"All thinking people" have heard religious claims. But that does not make the word "atheist" a dogma, religion or political party.
"Atheist" merely means "off" on claims of God/god/s/deities, nothing more.
It says nothing about the education of the person ascribing the label to themselves or their views on any topic.
I have run into atheists who voted for Trump, others who think Che, the asshole who lead to Castro's Cuba was a good thing. And while I like Penn Jillette on social issues, he is unfortunately a "no Government is better" economically. And I absolutely hate Ayn Rand.
Point is, you cant pigeonhole any label.